Chaps Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 Yeah, how come they didn't call before they started to climb when they had better cellphone service? And about your story, funny thing is just the other day I had a boulder sized car come flying down a hill at me. So I got out of the road. Go Vikings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molly1 Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 Molly1, what you are probably reading are actual accident reports, not statistics about the number of accidents that acutally occur. I'd hazard a guess that the number of accidents per climber or climbing trip is a fair bit lower than the total number of accidents per driver or driving trip. Maybe not, but my point is that can't sit there in your nice comfy sofa doing nothing but read accident reports and watching Faux News and then come to the conclusion that we are all a bunch of reckless safety-averse yahoos running around in the mountains. Most people who take climbing seriously try to develop the skills and experience necessary to minimize risk (I dare say, most drivers don't seem to develop any safety skills at all). Sometimes things just happen, even to very experienced climbers. Should we ban driving because most accidents are caused by people being poorly trained and inattentive to risk? Should we make them post a bond in case they need to be 'rescued'? Perhaps charge them extra for driving on roads known to be 'unsafe' or if they attempt to drive when bad weather is imminent? How about flying? Hurtling through the air at 650 mph in a metal tube over which you have no control, that doesn't strike you as 'risky' behavior? Â No I don't think there should be any regulations against it, and I am all in favor of the type of all out rescue that occurred in this instance. We have people who are trained and capable of doing this type of rescue and they volunteer to do it. I think people should be allowed to do what they want to do. I'm just concerned that they perceive the risks accurately and the amount of skill required to minimize that risk. Â I'm just saying I had no idea how dangerous this sport is, how much skill is required, and, as another said, how difficult to make the judgment when to hold them and when to fold them. It is so difficult, even in the best of circumstances, to assess your limits and ask for help, or turn back, --even when a failure to do so might not be fatal. Sometimes staying safe is more about prudence than courage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaps Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 some morning i don't even get out of bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enelson Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 Arrogance is thinking you smarter than everyone else on here because you've been to top of a mountain. Hopefully everyone on here learns a lesson and gets the phone out when in a similar situation and not being so cocky to think there skills can get them out. I've been on Rainer and been in a chute when a rock the size of a VW bus came rolling on down. Sometimes there nothing you can do but the 3 up there could have called way before they did. That is being Arrogant and cocky. Sometimes in life you have to ask for help, think your too much of a man and you'll be dead too. Â All I can hope is someone learned. Â And all the people cutting on people speculating on what happened shut up. Hell go on Yahoo and do a look up on the hikers names, Read every newspaper, They all speculated and got it wrong. Hell flame them. They get paid for there crap. Better educated guess here and it doesn't disrespect anyone. Me personally I could care less how things unfolded, them having the phone was the stupid thing and not using it. They were too proud to use it and it cost them there lives. Â pardon me sir, but you yourself seem to be guilty of some speculation here, arrogantly thinging you knew what the hell they were thinking when they did or did not use the cell phone. if you have been on rainer, you are an arrogant bastard too, thinking you would be safe up there in that chute. just STFU and get the hell out of here. people climb because they like to push themselves personally, not just call in help at any given moment when things get hard. the sport is based around real risk, and everyone should know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 (edited) GEt a brain buddy. lol You'll be the next one dead. Edited December 26, 2006 by Seahawks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Phil Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 Seahawks suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 Currently they do. At least I can see the truth. Not living in fantasy like the rest these fools. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaps Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 do you happen to have some gear you'd like to sell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enelson Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 wow, that was highly intelligent and enlightening, thank you seahawks for talking about something you know nothing about, it is always beficial for the general discussion. my day at work would be so boring without your mindless drivel. and please don't "lol" when i die, that would be pretty mean. f'ing mindless twit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enelson Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 quite saying lol or go back to texting your middle school friends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Couloir Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 lol Arc?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 OMG. Stop the madness. Stop posting and speculating on bullshit that doesn’t matter. Holy cow. Im going to puke. Bllaaaaaahhhhh!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 Just what I thought 99% idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 Just what I thought 99% idiots. Â Who's the idiot. Your avatar is Seahawks. Sounds to me like you are 100% idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rooster Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 I'M HERE TO CROW IN THIS IMPORTANT THREAD!!!! Â COCK A DOODLE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enelson Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 Just what I thought 99% idiots. Â what are you even talking about, have you gathered a random sample of IQ scores from climbers all over the world to come up with this number, hopefully accurate to +-3% or i am not going to believe it. 8D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enelson Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 I'M HERE TO CROW IN THIS IMPORTANT THREAD!!!! COCK A DOODLE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  the rooster signifies fun things happening while at work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 I'M HERE TO CROW IN THIS IMPORTANT THREAD!!!! COCK A DOODLE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Dooooo you dooooodle with your cock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevbone Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 Hey, I have a great idea, what if we all keep posting on this STUPID thread and see how fast we can get it to 100 pages! Ready go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 I'm sure this room makes up a sample of climbers all over the world so + - 3% works for me. Bottom the brain pool here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenSeagal Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 I'm sure this room makes up a sample of climbers all over the world so + - 3% works for me. Bottom the brain pool here. Â Go choke on your hot dog, fatty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enelson Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 what, do you want to debate something that actually matters, if not, STFU like i said before. otherwise, start a new thread in spray and see what kind of brain power may present itself. you are the one sounding like an ignorant fucker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 You would choke on you own dog if you could reach Mr. Rolls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 ignorant fucker - Very verbose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenSeagal Posted December 26, 2006 Share Posted December 26, 2006 You would choke on you own dog if you could reach Mr. Rolls. Â No problem, buttwad: Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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