This is TOO much!

[ClimbingPanther]

How about an initiative to ban initiatives?

 

I would support it.

 

Based on the Bible.

 

Don't ask for a reference.

[archenemy]

For those of you who may honestly want to understand the predominant Christian position on homosexuality and why we don't want it sanctioned in America, read a little about Sodom & Gomorrah. Wikipedia has a relatively concise but complete and fair article on it at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah

[good references too]

Worth noting is that homosexuality isn't by any stretch the only thing they were doing wrong. Their litany of sins included gluttony, pride, selfishness, and more.

 

49"Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy.

 

50"Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me Therefore I removed them when I saw it.

 

So as you can see from the Christian's Bible itself, homosexuality wasn't the only or even explicitly the main reason God destroyed them, as some may have you believe. However, we believe God does judge and punish nations/cities/whatever when he sees fit.

 

Considering America already sounds a lot like those other things mentioned (even the most liberal of folks could agree we're overfed and selfish and our current leadership doesn't seem geared toward helping the needy in the world), we don't want to see it become any more like Sodom & Gomorrah.

 

However, I for one think Christians miss the boat when we focus so much on one issue. What about the others? Surely being overfed is much more of a problem than homosexuality, especially in the church itself! Shame on us.

 

"Scripture taken from the NEW AMERICAN STANDARD BIBLE®, Copyright © 1960,1962,1963,1968,1971,1972,1973,1975,1977,1995 by The Lockman Foundation. Used by permission."

The Seven Deadly Sins are not mentioned in the Bible

[archenemy]

but homosexuality is an action/choice.

 

That is a religious, not scientific conclusion. What we know scientifically to date is inconclusive, but certainly indicates that homosexuality has a significant genetic component, and thus is very analogous to race.

My favorite test of this belief is from Savage; he asks, "Is there anything at all in this world that I can give you to let me put my dick in your mouth and leave it there until I have an orgasm?"

Case closed.

[tvashtarkatena]

The Seven Deadly Sins are not mentioned in the Bible

1. Taking meth

2. Patronizing gay prostitutes

3. Diddling teenagers

4. Accepting bribes

5. Assaulting mistresses

6. Fixing contracts

7. Lying to the whole world

 

Nope. Can't find 'em.

Edited November 8, 2006 by tvashtarkatena

[foraker]

"current leadership doesn't seem geared toward helping the needy in the world"

 

Current leadership ushered into office gladly and with great rejoicing, by said Christian electorate.

[archenemy]

The Seven Deadly Sins are not mentioned in the Bible

1. Taking meth

2. Patronizing gay prostitutes

3. Diddling teenagers

4. Accepting bribes

5. Assaulting mistresses

6. Fixing contracts

7. Lying to the whole world

 

Nope. Can't find 'em.

Does it count if I myself was a teen when I diddled other teens?

[tvashtarkatena]

Does it count if I myself was a teen when I diddled other teens?

I believe that's 'jukin', not 'diddling'.

[ClimbingPanther]

Arch, some people may answer that differently at different times in their life. Case closed? Maybe, maybe not. Science, not witty quotes, will enlighten us on this.

 

And yes, the seven deadly sins are nowhere to be found in such a list, but those three I mentioned were in fact on the very next line from Ezekiel.

[minx]

The Seven Deadly Sins are not mentioned in the Bible

1. Taking meth

2. Patronizing gay prostitutes

3. Diddling teenagers

4. Accepting bribes

5. Assaulting mistresses

6. Fixing contracts

7. Lying to the whole world

 

Nope. Can't find 'em.

Does it count if I myself was a teen when I diddled other teens?

 

only if you a) diddled yourself in front of other teens or b) diddled a teen of the same gender.

 

as we've clearly established in the preceding 10 pages of drivel homosexual diddling is absolutely forbidden but only if you're part of the christian right.

[archenemy]

I stated my post correctly. Your inability to understand or comprehend shouldn't end up in a 'correction'

[archenemy]

Arch, some people may answer that differently at different times in their life. Case closed? Maybe, maybe not. Science, not witty quotes, will enlighten us on this.

 

And yes, the seven deadly sins are nowhere to be found in such a list, but those three I mentioned were in fact on the very next line from Ezekiel.

Are you implying that I put forth a witty quote?

Thanks!

 

Personally, I often learn just as much from one powerful statement than I do from a blithering scientific diatriabe.

But to each her own.

[ClimbingPanther]

Are you implying that I put forth a witty quote?

yes! And it does make some sense, it just doesn't take everything into account and can't be the sole basis ["case closed"] for a stance on the subject.

[archenemy]

Sorry, but I am not following you. Forgive me for being a bit behind, I was not online yesterday. Even if I were, however, I doubt that I would be able to live up to your expectations of being able to take everything into account all at once--I'm just not that good. And I am certainly not looking to close this case, the discussion is far more important to me than any decision on the matter.

[cj001f]

I find diddling much more interesting than diatribes. More diddling please!

[tvashtarkatena]

Arch, some people may answer that differently at different times in their life. Case closed? Maybe, maybe not. Science, not witty quotes, will enlighten us on this.

The scientific or social basis for homosexuality, while interesting, should have no bearing on public policy. The constitution doesn't care whether nature or nurture is at work.

 

Conversely, its purely genetic analog, race, has a fundamental cultural affect on behavior. Again, the constitution doesn't care.

Edited November 8, 2006 by tvashtarkatena

[archenemy]

Exactly what I was going to say.

 

Gender, however, is a whole different story.

[tvashtarkatena]

I stated my post correctly. Your inability to understand or comprehend shouldn't end up in a 'correction'

 

I understand your inability to correct or post your endless state of incomprehension.

[archenemy]

finally, someone who understands me

[tvashtarkatena]

Exactly what I was going to say.

 

Gender, however, is a whole different story.

 

Don't drag da bitches inta dis

[tvashtarkatena]

BTW, thank the Old Man Upstairs for the congressional election for me. And the failure of the stripper initiative.

 

Double Hail Marys if we get the senate.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

The only “person” who can judge a sin in Christianity is God.

 

So when a Christian person claims that homosexuality is a sin, they are in fact acting like a “god” by their judgement, and this act of judgement violates the first commandment whereas it states “There shall be no other Gods before me.” Only God can make a judgement on sin.

 

So only God can just that murder is a sin? Absurd.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

BTW, thank the Old Man Upstairs for the congressional election for me. And the failure of the stripper initiative.

 

Double Hail Marys if we get the senate.

 

It's not surprising that you have to pay women to pretend to be sexually interested in you.

[tvashtarkatena]

 

So only God can just that murder is a sin? Absurd.

 

Not quite as absurd as your grammar.

[tvashtarkatena]

BTW, thank the Old Man Upstairs for the congressional election for me. And the failure of the stripper initiative.

 

Double Hail Marys if we get the senate.

 

It's not surprising that you have to pay women to pretend to be sexually interested in you.

 

Are you kidding? My wife watches my expenses like a hawk.

[KaskadskyjKozak]

 

So only God can just that murder is a sin? Absurd.

 

Not quite as absurd as your grammar.

 

just = judge is a typo, not a grammar mistake. And if all you can do is nitpick my typos, you're truly a pathetic individual, Trashie.

 

It's too bad Reagan's motorcade didn't run you over.