layton Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Blow me FrankO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Mike Layton said: Blow me FrankO Do you have me on ignore too or can you read this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Mike Layton said: Blow me FrankO Do you have me on ignore too or can you read this? I'm not sure. oh, and shoving your daughter in an altitude chamber is twisted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenderfour Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Climbing is, at least on some level, about the challenges we decide to face. If it weren't difficult I doubt most climbers would bother with it. This difficulty takes many forms. For some people, just getting up the dog route on Rainier is a worthy accomplishment. Others need to go hunting for Neutrinos on difficult alpine routes. Regardless of what it is, it's a challenge. Do we really need another gadget to reduce the challenges that we decide to throw ourselves at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
layton Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 So this is for Rainier? OMFG!!!!! Please, please, continue to ignore me.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choada_Boy Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 I would suggest putting a plastic bag over your head and then a rubber band around your neck. The bag will simulate the oxygen deprivatiuon found at altitude and the rubber band will keep you from trying to quickly descend to "sea level" and getting the bends. I know this because I am a Doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ireneo_Funes Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TjJunior Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 (edited) I was involved in some research on "live high train low" a number of years ago ( details if you're really interested ). Stray-Gunderson and Levine felt that exposure to 8k+ elevation for at least 8 hrs a day kept your EPO level high enough to increase red blood cell counts. The ideal is 16 hrs a day at elevation, and <10 hrs has reduced impact. Also, the effect plateaued after about 3-4 weeks of doing so. I've tried the live high train low geographically (sleep in Park City at 8k, train in Salt Lake City at 4k) and hypobaric chambers (the Portland one mentioned here and 2 others), and hypobaric was definitely less intrusive on the rest of my life (excluding my girlfriend's aversion to it). Did it work? My Vo2 max scores went from 77 to 83 in a 4 week period under the study above, but there's no way to really say how much was due to live high train low versus training under ideal conditions with 25 other athletes. Yeah, I think there's definitely something to it, but you'll probably only notice it at the extremes of effort levels. Would it be beneficial to climbing? Maybe, but probably more mental than anything since it's rare you're at or near max Vo2. My two cents. Edited March 27, 2006 by TjJunior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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