minx Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 omfd! this thread is hysterical. i had no idea people were this uptight with climbing partners. charging for insurance that you'd be paying for anyway. bills for scratched cams. fussing over a couple of biners and an attitude. dang. people need to relax. i've lost more biners than that bailing off a route. when i climb with a new partner, i'm more careful about checking for gear just b/c who knows if i'll climb with them again. when i'm climbing with people i know and see regularly, i figure that if stuff gets mixed up they'll return it next time if not sooner. i guess that's why those people are my regular partners. ryhang-good on ya for letting it go. Quote
robert Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 Again. A certain level of insurance is *required by law* to drive a car. What is the *correct* way to proportion that expense? Anyone? Eat it. If you don't like paying insurance don't have a car. When I drive I never expect or request any money from any of my partners. When I get some it is a bonus. I figure that sometimes they will drive some and I will drive some and it will even out in the long run if not in the short run. I take people out who don't have a drivers license let alone a car and the same still stands. If you don't like shouldering the burden that is your call. Quote
tomtom Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 omfd! this thread is hysterical. fussing over a couple of biners and an attitude. dang. people need to relax. This is pretty ironic coming from a Moderator. Quote
olyclimber Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 this why i demand a climbing resume with references for every potential climbing partner. I make sure the call the references and find out if the person routinely booties gear out of their partners rack, and how much they charge for car insurance. I like to shop around and see if I can get the lowest insurance, but you don't want to underpay for a partner. You may also want to ask what their deductable is. Quote
minx Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 Again. A certain level of insurance is *required by law* to drive a car. What is the *correct* way to proportion that expense? Anyone? Eat it. If you don't like paying insurance don't have a car. When I drive I never expect or request any money from any of my partners. When I get some it is a bonus. I figure that sometimes they will drive some and I will drive some and it will even out in the long run if not in the short run. I take people out who don't have a drivers license let alone a car and the same still stands. If you don't like shouldering the burden that is your call. Quote
tomtom Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 Apparently the standard deduction is two carabiners. Quote
chucK Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 (edited) Minx, AFAICT he did not let it go. He outed the bastard on his last post! Tomtom and Archie, I think Minx has a point on the fact that you'd be paying for the insurance anyway. It seems that you could reasonably charge a rider for any marginal cost (extra dollars it costs you to drive to-from the crag). Since you're paying for the insurance anyway, there is no marginal cost for the extra hundred miles that weekend. Wear and tear, car cost/expected mileage and gas all have pretty easily defined marginal costs per/mile. Now whether it's reasonable to pass these costs on is pretty academic. The practical rule followed in capitalism is supply and demand. What can you get for it? Actual marginal cost is a reasonable way to justify expenses so the person feels they are not being gypped. If they feel gypped they might not ride with you again. If you care about that (i.e. you want some "return business") then you might not want to charge so much next time. Let's also not forget the fact that the driver has to get up earlier and get home later, and also has to drive, which though not terrible, I'd rather not do if I don't have to. If both people trade off driving it's the best as all of this stuff works out. No money needs to be exchanged at all. If one person is always doing the sponging (e.g. Gary), then they really should consider that however much they are paying, it really isn't enough . Oh yeah, and with some of my regular partners we have a loosely followed rule that the rider brings the beer Edited October 26, 2005 by chucK Quote
robert Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 omfd! this thread is hysterical. i had no idea people were this uptight with climbing partners. charging for insurance that you'd be paying for anyway. bills for scratched cams. fussing over a couple of biners and an attitude. dang. people need to relax. I was wondering who might be the first to say that they had been charged for the stove fuel and of course the work done in carrying said fuel to camp. Quote
Dru Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 Don't forget to figure out the wear and tear caused on your rope by your partner rappelling on it, and the damage to your tent caused by your partner's weight crushing said tent floor into the ground. Quote
rhyang Posted October 26, 2005 Author Posted October 26, 2005 Oh, I let it go alright. Think what you will - I am not accusing anyone of anything. but what's even funnier is this car insurance discussion ... I have never heard of anyone doing this, let alone spending pages discussing it. Actually now that I think about it a couple of years ago someone told me about a woman who tried to get her carpoolers to reimburse her for a National Parks Pass... a schoolteacher type I think. Quote
olyclimber Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 Duh, Dru. Its called depreciation. What I think everyone is missing here is opportunity cost. How much does your partner own you for taking away time you could have used to make a killing in the stock market or buying winning lottery tickets? Quote
Peter_Puget Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 One might consider only those costs resulting directly from the trip be split up. Thus insurance is most likely a bogus allocation. Quote
minx Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 Duh, Dru. Its called depreciation. What I think everyone is missing here is opportunity cost. How much does your partner own you for taking away time you could have used to make a killing in the stock market or buying winning lottery tickets? excellent point. several of you will be receiving bills from me in the near future. Quote
minx Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 Oh yeah, and with some of my regular partners we have a loosely followed rule that the rider brings the beer not a bad rule. i go with the rule that who ever is playing ropegun that day doesn't have to buy the beer. all pitches being equal, the rider bringing the beer seems reasonable. Quote
tomtom Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 When I drive I never expect or request any money from any of my partners. Cool, I'm riding with *you*. Interested in a little climbing in Yosemite? Quote
Dru Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 I am going to start charging 5 cents every time someone reads one of my posts. Quote
tomtom Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 Dru, anyone reading your posts already pays dearly. Quote
wfinley Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 In college I lived in a house with 2 other climbers. One of my housemates used to routinely pillage gear and every-time we went out climbing we'd have to dig through the crap in his room to find our cams, nuts or biners. Anyways... when it came time to move out my other housemate and I paid him back by grabbing a Tupperware container of re-fried beans that had been in the bottom of the fridge for months and sticking it in the bottom of one of his boxes. He didn't find it until the following fall. Quote
Gary_Yngve Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 Let's also not forget the fact that the driver has to get up earlier and get home later, and also has to drive, which though not terrible, I'd rather not do if I don't have to. Not necessarily. The person with the car can have everyone else go to his house and then depart from there. Then the person with the car starts last and finishes first. The owner of the car also does not have to be the driver, as is often the case with long pushes that rotate drivers and dudes who keep the drivers awake. Quote
Peter_Puget Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 What about control of HVAC and music systems? How much are they worth? Seat location? Quote
Stefan Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 Oh, I let it go alright. Think what you will - I am not accusing anyone of anything. but what's even funnier is this car insurance discussion ... I have never heard of anyone doing this, let alone spending pages discussing it. Actually now that I think about it a couple of years ago someone told me about a woman who tried to get her carpoolers to reimburse her for a National Parks Pass... a schoolteacher type I think. Ohhh. I have even got one better. We were in a pool of people buying thermarests at REI as a wedding gift for some people. One of the person's in the pool said, "I think we should pay less than the person purchasing the thermarests at REI, becuase the person purchasing the thermarests will get the dividend at the end of the year. That is not fair." Quote
olyclimber Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 Its a good idea to require all climbing partners to give you a deposit before allowing them in your vehicle or to touch your gear. Quote
tomtom Posted October 26, 2005 Posted October 26, 2005 You're not allowed to touch my gear, big guy. Quote
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