DarknessPhotography Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 (edited) I am considering buying Salomon Pro Ice or Koflach Degree since my boots are gone with my lovely car which got stolen. (.. don't wanna get into this situation again- wake up - say good morning - and noticing my car have disappeared from where I parked.. horrible..)(anywaaay) I've tried on my friend's Salomon Pro ice, which was only walked for few hundred feets since its purchase. It fit like glove for me and I loved them even I only walked on cement sidewalk for a mile. But since this boots is quite expensive, I am also considering Koflach Degree. (I have flat feet so I have custom footbed. Nothing to worry about footbed ) I am looking for boots that I could use for : 1.occational ice climbing(front-pointing) 2.long slushy snow walking 3.sometimes just enjoy snowshoeing with my family. temperature for above activity would be around -20'F~30'F. I haven't tried on the koflach degree, but by reading many articles written on this board, the degree is the best choice for me(also cheap ) Salomon pro ice is $180 and Koflach degree is $230~250. which one for my purpose!? ADVICE PLEASE !!! Edited September 21, 2005 by DarknessPhotography Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulB Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 I've had a pair of Salomon Super Mountain 9s (predecessor to the Pro Ice) for about six years, and have been very happy with them. I've used them ice climbing, glacier slogging and alpine climbing, and they've performed well in all situations. Salomon even resoled them for $30 a couple years ago, which was way cheaper than I could find anyone to do it in Vancouver. It took about a month, but they came back with a factory sole. My concern about buying Salomon these days is that the SM9's were made in Italy, but I think all their boots are now made in China. I may be mistaken on that though. I'd choose leather over plastic for just about anything that didn't involve many continuous days in sub zero weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Frieh Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 temperature for above activity would be around -20'F~30'F. Unless you have horrible circulation plastics would be an overkill for this. My advice would be find a pair of insulated leather boots that fit you well (which it sounds like you already have) and get them. Sorry to hear about your car loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtom Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 I had a pair of Salomon SM Lites. The good was that they fit me like a glove and the sole was super stiff for ice climbing but had a rocker for walking. The bad was that after one year they started soaking up water and after two years the stitching on the different outer layers started blowing out. So I took them back to REI for a refund. I also have a pair of Koflach Verticals (a stiffer version of the Degree). They stay dry in wet snow, but as someone else mentioned, they are pretty warm. They ice climb well but are a bit klunky (limited ankle mobility). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarknessPhotography Posted September 21, 2005 Author Share Posted September 21, 2005 hmm.. Even i am going to use the boots in kind of not very cold temperature range, I have quite a cold feet due to bad circulation plus low blood pressure. (maybe bloodpressure is not the one that results cold feet) I actually had Asolo Evoluzion shell + AFS 8000 for two years for ice climbing and all-round temperature in winter and wet Autum. But i sold it becuase it had too stiff ankle for walking and clunky for me since I bought one size bigger one than what i should've bought. This boots was always warm and durable. Even used around 55'F, but never hot, always warm. Not sure about what to do! plastic boots?(even considering other koflach boots like Artic EXPE or Vertical) OR Leather Boots? hmmmmmmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genepires Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 not sure of the insulative quality of the salomon boot but -20F can be pretty cold for non insulated leathers. Sounds like you are unhappy with plastics from your post so you may want to check out some insulated leathers. I have used my nepal extremes in -20F and been fairly comfortable. Probably more than $180 though. Might want to check out insulated super gaiters (around $120) to add to the salomon boots for very cold days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whidbey Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 http://www.zappos.com/n/p?dp=4096909 This is a little better price and free shipping for those boots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figger_Eight Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 I'd recommend the plastic boots for a couple of reasons: 1) They're warmer 2) They're a lot less maintenance, especially if you're going to be doing a lot of "long, slushy snow walks". You'll never have to worry about them getting wet. If you can afford a bit more, the BD Omegas (new Alphas) might be a good choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 I'd strongly recomend you rent some POS Degree's from REI before you purchase them. I did and ended up buying some insulated leather Scarpa's for cold weather climbing and slogging. I use a vapor barrier over my liner sock to help keep my insulation dry and it's worked well for me on several volcano climbs as well as cold weather ice climbing. Much more versatility than in a plastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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