larrythellama Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Does anyone have a say on who can or cannot climb at a 'secret crag' if it's on public land? No one, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distel32 Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 troll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancegranite Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 as long as it's not this guy's routes... push me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larrythellama Posted July 30, 2004 Author Share Posted July 30, 2004 hey distel it aint no troll. we came accross a crag thqat was developed in the early 90's abandoned and then some people have started to "develop" more of the crag in the last few months or so. they only put in bolts and avoid the cracks, tho they admit to bolting some placements for the ease of climbing the route, its weird tho as the person told me they avoid bolting cracks, yet they admited to doing so. they also asked us not to really climb there as they wanted to control it. the funny thing is they did not discover and it has been mentioned on the net b4(not this site) which is what we find bullshit. matter of fact i am going there in an hour or so to climb the cracks and avoid their bolted face contrivences. Â i almost want to talk to the land managers cuz in some ways i think it is in a wilderness area they have been using an electric roto hammer, the thing that prevents me from doing so is the quality of the crag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olyclimber Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Is Renton a wilderness area? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonrover Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 so are you gonna give any hints as to where this might be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scratchandsniff Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 i almost want to talk to the land managers cuz in some ways i think it is in a wilderness area they have been using an electric roto hammer, the thing that prevents me from doing so is the quality of the crag. Â Â It may be cause of doods like you that doods like that tell doods like you not to go there. Â sac up be a man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo_Montalban Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 public land is public land. no one can claim rights or ownership (unless you're a multimillion $ mining corporation...but that's another thread) it's my understanding that any motorized equipment (gas / electric) is illegal in wilderness areas, even for the land managers (although, exceptions are granted) would i go out to climb it? yes. i would not 'rat' them out to the land managers though, since it would open the location up to probable bureaucratic mayhem. i believe management/policing from the users of the area is the best option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szyjakowski Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 what secret....where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 Hmm, something in the Middle Fork? Putting up routes on a public crag does not give you any power over it or special rights to controlling information. You should just post up the location beta. You should be able to confirm it's wilderness status without alerting the tool, but if it's wilderness those folks should STOP or start drilling by hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWolfe Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 There are no secret crags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 There are no secret crags. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willbeclimbin Posted August 7, 2004 Share Posted August 7, 2004 d-town Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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