007_dup1 Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Hello, do you enjoy climbing the cascade jewels? Rainier, Baker, GP, Adams, Hood. I'm looking for a few good climbers to correspond and form an 8k trip. (it can't be all that difficult, right?) Never been on one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Is the 8k meant to be quite inclusive? All the peaks you name are over 10k. Mebbe that would be a better group moniker... Â Mountain Supply of Yakima used to have a group that they called the "Cascade 10 Plus Tour", and included 10 Cascade peaks over 10k feet. Included all the ones you mention, plus Jefferson, the Sisters, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007_dup1 Posted July 20, 2004 Author Share Posted July 20, 2004 That sounds like good practise, do you know the speed record of such a tour? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobo Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 No, but when I was a "spring chicken" many years back, I summitted both Hood and Adams in just under 24 hours, car to summit to car to summit to car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 um, lets see  you like volcanoes so you want to go to an 8k peak which i assume you mean 8000m in the himalayas...  you want to know about cascade speed records for good training  have you checked out http://www.mountainspeedclimbing.org ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007_dup1 Posted July 20, 2004 Author Share Posted July 20, 2004 I like hearing that and it makes sense coming in from Seattle. Thanks for your training suggestion. As for the 8K'er, the power of a few great climbers can make this reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007_dup1 Posted July 20, 2004 Author Share Posted July 20, 2004 Mountains are to be climbed, whether they are volcanos or something else! Please let me know if your interested. I assume the right climber will understand 8k. I don't know what this message thread will yeild, we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashw_justin Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Not sure the power of a few great climbers is gonna get you up to 8K. Several hundred-thousand dollars, 20 porters, and oxygen, on the other hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007_dup1 Posted July 20, 2004 Author Share Posted July 20, 2004 I believe all you need is a few great climbers! I'm looking for a well-rounded crew that can tackle setting up travel arrangements, hiring porters, oxygen supplies, park fees, food, etc. What do you say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronB Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Not sure the power of a few great climbers is gonna get you up to 8K. Several hundred-thousand dollars, 20 porters, and oxygen, on the other hand...  This is a Guided trip for 15k here  Not sure where you got the hundreds of thousands... Cost without a guide??? Not sure. Affordable to some though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashw_justin Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 Yeah sorry I was just being a jackass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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icegirl Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 lol  Thanks, I needed that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007_dup1 Posted July 21, 2004 Author Share Posted July 21, 2004 thanx for the responses, I need to clarify this post: To find a few potential climbing partners for an 8000 meter trip. The peak to be determined.  This will be a planned expedition as a small capable group for Spring 2005. Prerequisite: all partners should have something to offer, there will be no discrimination and the interview will be a hike up to the top of Rainier or something.  I checked out many "Pay For Climb" companies and don't believe paying is necessary. It can't be that difficult!  Looking for partners that can: Setup travel arrangements & lodging (in a place like Katmandu) Can hire out Sherpas/local guide Take care of climbing permits offer group climbing equipment/tents Oxygen Purchase/import quantities of food for the climb Radios for communication  You only have 1 life to live! Please correspond privately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007_dup1 Posted July 21, 2004 Author Share Posted July 21, 2004 Why bring together a small group of climbers to tackle an 8000m peak? Â What's really going on is people pay $65,000 to Mtn Madness and they get you up the summit you picked out of their brochure book. For example, they have local guides in Katmandu they contract out just like other rival companies. When these climbers get to an icefall, burkshard, or a hanging cornice they have the porters make it pass-able for them. How easy is that? The frick'in ropes are set up all the way up to the Hillary step on Mt Everest. These sherpas work for like $1/day so why woundn't you utilize them? Â My whole thing is why the heck can't a person do this without paying out the nose? How hard is it to get a roundtrip ticket on Thai Airlines to Katmandu, lodging in Katmandu, hire a local climbing guide, hire some sherpas, rent the gear you couldn't bring, buy the food you weren't allowed to bring into the country, pay the park entrance fees, and climb any mountain for under $10,000! I am not buying into the "pay for climbing" pnenomena and claimed safety sales pitch these companies pretend to put on. Just look at the 1997 tradegy. ...no thank you. True expedition style is the way to go! Â Still have a few spots left! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 I checked out many "Pay For Climb" companies and don't believe paying is necessary. It can't be that difficult!  Looking for partners that can: Setup travel arrangements & lodging (in a place like Katmandu) Can hire out Sherpas/local guide Take care of climbing permits offer group climbing equipment/tents Oxygen Purchase/import quantities of food for the climb Radios for communication  You only have 1 life to live! Please correspond privately  Looking for guided expedition, not willing to pay. Expect premium services at budget price.  You could do everything listed yourself, but the possibility of you suceeding drops with each thing you take on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snafflecock Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 not to nitpick but doing a little fact checking and spell checking might instill a bit more confidence in your call to find partners. Â the big everest accident was in 1996 Â never seen a 'burkshard' before, seen lots of bergschrunds though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenderfour Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 You don't need accuracy to get up an 8,000m peak, just enthusiasm and other people to do all the work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bDubyaH Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 if you want an 8000m peak it is far easier to get on a trip like this than it is to do it yourself. pretty inexpensive really, i guarantee nobody is getting rich. trip logistics are huge and will take up loads of your time (like a year or more). look at the note on the webpage they could just handle logistics for you (trust me this is a good idea). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007_dup1 Posted July 22, 2004 Author Share Posted July 22, 2004 Checked out this Australian company called "Field Touring". They might be cheaper than the rival american companies charging $65,000, but it is still the "Pay For Climbing" bushwa. So many companies are getting rich off of nothing. Who needs a freak'in helicopter guarantee for support?? The company sells the propective climber on linking them to 8k reality and the comfort factor but nothing really tangible. Anyone disagree? Â It is also hilarious how the company has field staff and managers to take care of all your climbing arrangements. These locals get their cut out of the pie when they check you into their uncle's motel or get some "authentic guides"! Â I say it will not be dificult to do what these companies are offering. Cheaper, easier and even without worries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007_dup1 Posted July 22, 2004 Author Share Posted July 22, 2004 That's what I'm talking about! I don't care how fat you are, your smart enough to realize this. Whether right or wrong, I think it's an ignorance that some climbers have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bDubyaH Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 007, have you ever been on an expedition or any trip to a high peak, particularly one in another country? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007_dup1 Posted July 22, 2004 Author Share Posted July 22, 2004 I just don't feel that it is that hard to make an 8k summit attempt with a team of a few good climbers. I mean sure it can take a year of planning and get pretty involved but it doesn't have to be! I have never done an 8000 meter peak, have you? Going on other escapades around the world, I have learned a lot of times it is easier than what it is made out to be. Anyone agree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
007_dup1 Posted July 22, 2004 Author Share Posted July 22, 2004 Again, if anyone is interested in climbing an 8000m peak, please send a private message. Looking to form a small group of capable climbers. We will correspond on training, trip arrangements, and meeting our goal cheaply and effectively. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenderfour Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Brook Alongi is going to Cho-oyu as a non-guided trip. The cost is pretty reasonable as I recall. Check out his site at www.ogawa-mtnadv.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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