LUCKY Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Best guide book ever? It's got my vote. and the dude sent it too me before the check cleared, now that's trust. I really liked the words under First Ascent info, a real world attitude, and an insite into the MANS personality, putting that in print is quite ballzy. Pleasing everyone just is not going to happen, route developing for the majority of climbers and the climbers you respect is the way to go. Marty I can tell your not the kind of climber that would look down his nose at me for struggling on the low end climbs when you are cranking the high ends Thanks for the guide. The fat old man putting up moderates LUCKY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCash Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 A good guidebook, but the best ever? Come on. Nice troll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Well, it does raise the question, just what is the best guidebook ever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 the NEW SMITH ROCKS GUIDE!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Off_White Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 No silly, it's the one that's having the most fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Marty did a great job on the guide in general. It was needed for all the areas involved. I doubt there is a 1st ascent listed outside his current pals that the climbers would agree with Marty's editorials or obvious insults directed at earlier climbers like, Larry Peterman, or the quality of routes done previous to Marty starting climbing. For that the guide book falls short. It is as close to a death fall if you want to give a book review. A decent guidebook to the areas? Yes. The majority of the historical info is correct. Not easy to walk a straight line through the ethical debate Marty started and then encouraged by his actions and writing. No question Marty's personality and agenda comes through in his writings. Nothing wrong with that until they clash head on with the long held traditions of climbing. Lucky, before you review a guide book helps to have actually climbed in the area. BTW we don't have any Russians bagging the parking lots in Spokane for all the obvious reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatManDoo Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 I really liked the words under First Ascent info, a real world attitude, and an insite into the MANS personality, putting that in print is quite ballzy. So was gas gassing the kurds!! Saddam gets his judgement day on c-span, Marty on cc.com route developing for the majority of climbers and the climbers you respect is the way to go. Did you miss the poll ?!?!? Marty I can tell your not the kind of climber that would look down his nose at me for struggling on the low end climbs when you are cranking the high ends from INClimbs "Main Crack 5.4. It's been ten years since you started at Mini. You've top roped and top roped and top roped some more. Finally you're ready. You put on your shoes and chalk bag and walk up the ramp. There's a hush amongst the awe struck spectators as you begin to free solo Main Crack. You actually make it to the top ! You're a Mini god now ! It comes somplete with, a toady entourage, and a permanent appointment at the busiest time each day to drive to Mini and solo Main Crack for the rest of your life" If that is not looking down your nose at low end climbers then what is ? Marty, thanks for the book. It has helped me find my way around the crags. I appreciate your hard work on the book and the routes you have left for me to climb. If the second edition leaves out the personal insults of good men, I'll give it another star.... but best ever, I think not. I have never seen another guide book with such personal dishing....would we really be LUCKY to have more ?!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCash Posted July 1, 2004 Share Posted July 1, 2004 Lucky, before you review a guide book helps to have actually climbed in the area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 "Main Crack 5.4. It's been ten years since you started at Mini. You've top roped and top roped and top roped some more. Finally you're ready. You put on your shoes and chalk bag and walk up the ramp. There's a hush amongst the awe struck spectators as you begin to free solo Main Crack. You actually make it to the top ! You're a Mini god now ! It comes somplete with, a toady entourage, and a permanent appointment at the busiest time each day to drive to Mini and solo Main Crack for the rest of your life" If that is not looking down your nose at low end climbers then what is ? Thats looking down at people who think they can fool the masses into beliving that their 5.4 solo (and the ones they stage later) is next to godlike. Be careful who you try to fool, one of those people might know more than you'd like them too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 I have like zero time for this discussion and Marty and I are both out of here for the weekend in the next two minutes. That said the tradition of soloing at Minne in general is/was pretty strong. Roskelly infact doing demos, soloing main crack, in mountain school something like 35 years ago is a funny story. I doubt anyone ever looked at a solo of main crack as elevating you to gawd like status. Marty what is up with the atitude? But no matter, you are a bit off the deck and the landing is bad How about we save the solo debate till later so Marty and I can join in the diuscussion. That way we can share some perspectives that have obviously been missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUCKY Posted July 2, 2004 Author Share Posted July 2, 2004 This site is like the media very seldom is anything positive said here. So it is no suprise to me the egos are out spraying their shit, it was actually expected. bitch bitch bitch over trivial BS, you guys are worse than my x wife. BTW while you were sweltering in the heat today I was climbing, I even had to put my coat on a few times. IT must suck to be you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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