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Email to Arc'teryx (bird@arcteryx.com):

 

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Hi.

 

I just purchased a Medium Sirrus SL jacket (Sangria) from a local retailer. I was looking for a lightweight hardshell for backcountry use, and this seemed to fit the bill.

 

When I got the jacket home, however, I was disappointed to find out that the jacket weighs 12.4 oz (after removing hang tags, etc) on my digital postal scale. The hang tag on the garment advertises a weight of 10.8 oz. This excess 15% seems a bit excessive. This is my first Arc'teryx garment, and I purchased it based upon your reputation for quality and integrity especially considering the a $300 list price.

 

I'd like to exchange this jacket for an example that does weigh 10.8 oz.

 

Thanks.

 

- Tom

 

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Email reply from Arc'teryx:

 

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Thank you for your interest in Arc'teryx.

 

On our web site the advertised weight of the garment is 352 grams which converts to 12.41631oz. In reviewing why there was a discrepancy in the weight between that hang tag and all other written material on the product I found out there was a number of initial changes with the fabric and corresponding weights. In other words when the original design sample was weighed (presumably without the toggles and draw cords) it was weighed using a fabric which ended up not making it to production. I can only speculate that this mistake occurred in the rush of getting product made, hang tags produced, fabrics reaching production standards etc. this mistake has long since been corrected (we haven’t used those hang tags for at approximately a year).

 

Unfortunately there are no final production garments made at the weight specified on that hang tag. If you are not satisfied with the garment I would suggest returning it to the retailer who sold it to you and finding something which meets your expectations. The retailer will be able to contact us and work something out.

 

I’m sorry for this confusion and mis information.

 

- (name deleted)

 

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yelrotflmao.gifGood good you weight weenies are funny.

 

Arc'teryx should have asked "How recently was your scale calibrated? Triple Beam Balance? Relative Gravitation?"

 

As has been discussed ad nauseum elsewhere, there are very few manufacturers whose advertised weights match their actual weights - usually for the exact reasons given.

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Why does two ounces matter and why is it so much fun to call them on thier error? Of course it will not weigh as much as they advertise! They never do!!!

 

Bored climbers waste my time. Just go pee and you will save as much as 8 ounces in weight every time! Go number two and you can save even more!

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It is frusterating when you consider the weight of an item durring your shopping and find out that it's not accurate after the purchase. It's like finding out at the check stand that it's actually ten dollars more than the price indicated on the tag because, well, it's last year's tag.

 

It is my experience that Arcteryx is the worst offender with their advertised weights. Why put it on there if it's not accurate? It's a sales ploy.

 

That's what you get for buying stuff from a communist country.

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No manufacturer reports reliable weights in my experience. It it matters that much to you, take your damn scale to the store. And some variance between samples is unavoidable. Maybe Arc'teryx reports the weight of their jackets size small, and tomtom bought an XL. So instead of bitching at the company, figure out a way to get reliable weights (eg do it yourself) it it really matters so damn much. Wanting to return a jacket for one that weighs 1.6 ounces less is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard.

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I could be wrong, but I think that "ridiculous" is what tomtom was going for. I don't really think he intended to exchange it, just to make the manufacturer aware that people were paying attention.

 

switch to decaf?

It's called process variance. Unless you show me (or Arc'teryx) that the average weight of their product (sample of say 100?) is greater than they claim, they ain't going to care.

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Maybe Arc'teryx reports the weight of their jackets size small, and tomtom bought an XL. So instead of bitching at the company, figure out a way to get reliable weights (eg do it yourself) it it really matters so damn much. Wanting to return a jacket for one that weighs 1.6 ounces less is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard.

 

The advertised weight in the hangtag was for a medium jacket, and I bought a medium jacket. The 1.6 oz represents a 15% increase over the advertised weight. The jacket is advertised by Arc'teryx as a lightweight jacket, so total weight of the garment is important.

 

The ultra-light Sirrus shaves it off, leaving only the essentials. A featherweight package with waterproof protection.

 

Should I wonder about the waterproof claim as well?

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It's called process variance. Unless you show me (or Arc'teryx) that the average weight of their product (sample of say 100?) is greater than they claim, they ain't going to care.

 

Read their reply.

 

It's not product variance.

 

They acknowledge that the target weight is 12.4 oz. But their advertised weight was 10.8 oz.

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Some companies do this. From GoLite:

 

"PLEASE NOTE: Due to variations in materials, all GoLite products may vary up to +/- 10% from the published weights. GoLite goes above and beyond industry norms to work with its factories to produce the lightest gear possible and then to publish product weights that are as accurate as possible. The precise amounts of materials that go into GoLite equipment and apparel during the manufacturing process, however, can and do vary to a limited but unavoidable degree."

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I took all the wood back to Home Depot because my 2X4 was 1.75X3.75. Can you believe it?

 

Seriously, it is a bitch to consider weight in your purchase and then have the advertised weight be way off. Cloudveil seems to have a problem with this.

 

Kudos to Arc'teryx to admit to the problem, determine the cause, verify that it still isn't a problem, and offer help in getting you what you want (e.g. your money back). They could have given you corporate speak of "screwed ya!".

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