cracked Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 I just sew it myself. Arc'teryx sucks the big HC. So do NF and MH. Oh, and by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marylou Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 Sorry to add to the thread drift.....but first of all Dead Bird is making come stuff in Asia now. I can't remember what, but you they have to put it on the label, so you can see for yourself. As far as quality differences, it's been my experience that stuff made in China is not necessarily of inferior quality. Matter of fact, the Chinese currently do the best tent sewing overall. I think, at least nowadays, that if you're seeing poor quality stuff from over there, it might have more to do with the company (TNF in Lambone's example) having low QA standards. Far as labor conditions over there.....well, no, they are not what they are here. Not even close. But, to be fair, we have plenty of labor abuse in sweatshops domestically as well. It gets more complicated when you start looking at how any given company treats the workers in their overseas factories. The US companies have a lot of say in how things are done in the factories. Thing is, that information can be very hard to come by, and there's no way to independently verify what they tell you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoboy Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 Dead Bird makes small packs (bookbags) overseas. Everything else is still made in Vancouver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sill Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 So what gear of his have you used? Probably a lot, since you're so sure that it works so well. Spill the beans. You don't seem to get it. BEING A GOOD CLIMBER DOESN'T MAKE YOU A GOOD DESIGNER. Indeed, being a 'cool guy' and/or 'the real deal' doesn't make you a good designer, either. I don't care what he's climbed, all it does is make a marketable image for his products. I have used the pack and the m-pants since the middle of January. The pack is great because it is super light, climbs well and accomadates both leashed and leasless tools, something that is good for me since I climb with both, depending on the route. The pack also has enough capacity to use on multiday routes or ski tours. It does have one or two uneeded extra's, but I just cut them off. The pants are the best of the type that I have used. I wore them on every ice/mixed route I climbed since I got them, probably spent about 25-30 days in them from mid january until late march. They are definately warmer than other stretch woven pants, they kept me comfortable on a very cold day on the Stanley Headwall this past winter. As someone said, the prices are high because he is trying to get the stuff produced locally, unlike Wild Things or similar companies who farm out to Asia. Fabrizio also has a new glove coming out next year that is going to be far and away better than anything out there, altough it is hard to beat a cheap pair of Atlas work gloves at this point for mixed climbing. I climb a lot more than most, so I am pretty fucking poor. This means I just don't go out and buy stuff on a whim, I buy it because it works. Do I "get it" now? J. J. Sill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 Dead Bird makes small packs (bookbags) overseas. Everything else is still made in Vancouver. some of the fleeces are made in china too, i saw them in the store just the other day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoboy Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 Oh, well, it was good while it lasted... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 but who wears fleece anymore anyways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 I thouhht arcteryx was alberta based? I realli like my arcteryx khamsin 38 FWIW. It seems I now use that thing for everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoboy Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 Nope, never was. Oh, and I think they disco'ed the Khamsin line this year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracked Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 I thouhht arcteryx was alberta based? I realli like my arcteryx khamsin 38 FWIW. It seems I now use that thing for everything. That's a pretty perfect size in my experience. But The Greatest Pack in the World is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 I know, I was sad to see that. What are they replacing it with? The khamsins were the best packs I found that combined a reasonable suspension with featuers and light weight. The 38 weighs something like 2 1/2 lbs, has a suspension and still has a bungee, daisy chain, ski slots, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 but who wears fleece anymore anyways Lots of hardcore climb...err..students...at school. fleece is needed for the ever changing and deadly seattle weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dru Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 but who wears fleece anymore anyways Lots of hardcore climb...err..students...at school. fleece is needed for the ever changing and deadly seattle weather. and the mounties!!! and old people who don't fully believe this newfangled softshell thing is more than a dangerous passing fad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iain Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 look punks, I wear fleece and will continue to do so. Patagucci's R2 is about the perfect mountain garment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoboy Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 Back on topic, I saw the price of that pack, and I pretty much decided right there that the company was a little too $$$$ for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtom Posted April 15, 2004 Share Posted April 15, 2004 I still maintain that "far east" produced goods are not inferior. The sweat shop issue, however, is one of personal choice. The You're the only one ranting on the quality issue, so STFU. I said that USA produced goods are going to be more expensive. Your reading comprehension is of inferior quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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