Jonathan Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 OK, at the risk seeming incredibly lame, how do I strap these puppies to my boots? See the attachment. I'm clueless. They are nice little Stubais, made in Austria, which recently annexed Kalifornia. Thanks! Jonathan Pryce Quote
Dru Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 i used to have those the strap goes over and thru side and back over and thru other side more or less really you need a diagram. did you check their website? Quote
layton Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 anyone who owned these things ever like em, or did you get unbelievably sketched after they rotated off the bottom of the shoe and buy 16oz aluminum crampons instead like me and necro did after writting a run-on sentance and misspelling many words?? Quote
Jonathan Posted January 12, 2004 Author Posted January 12, 2004 Thanks for ther response. I did check out their website and there is a lovely pic of the darlings and a description http://www.stubai-bergsport.com/cgi-bin/frameset.pl?sid=847331178913&vid=192889739616&l=deutsch, but no info on how to strap on. Perhaps I should consult my friendly neighborhood SM dominatrix. So allow me to take a breath and show how clueless I am and ask: do they go on the heel? Jonathan Pryce Quote
layton Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 Your instep is also known as your Arch. they go in the middle of your shoe and the straps wrap over your foot etc... Quote
Dru Posted January 12, 2004 Posted January 12, 2004 no they go on the instep, like, the arch of the boot. i will try my hand at MS paint! see attachment they are an alternative to chopping steps when hiking and trying to cross snow. nothing more. only work when sidestepping. Quote
Jonathan Posted January 12, 2004 Author Posted January 12, 2004 Thanks--I'll give that a go. I just wanted something for those icy, yet popular Mi Si or Mailbox Peak training hikes. The snow becomes so compacted from the masses that it resembles Glacier ice in Oct. Muchas Gracias! Quote
cjain Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 anyone who owned these things ever like em, or did you get unbelievably sketched after they rotated off the bottom of the shoe and buy 16oz aluminum crampons instead like me and necro did after writting a run-on sentance and misspelling many words?? Haven't tried them myself but friends have told me that they were dangerous and not to bother with them. I was just remembering this a few days ago on reading that a guy who slipped on ice and fell over a cliff on the Mt. Baldy trail (Los Angeles area) was wearing a set of these. (He wandered off after he fell, and they haven't found him yet. This was over a week ago so it doesn't look good.) Quote
Lambone Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 Jonathan, you should really consider wearing plastic boots on the Mt. Si trail... Quote
Cpt.Caveman Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 Those crampons should do the trick for your use. I understand exactly what you are saying about the snow gets smashed into ice quickly on those trails. But the problems I have found with those crampons is that they are way too fuck with every now and then until you master them type of crampons. I just get sick of dealing with gear that complicated. think aluminum stubais are a way better buy... And there are more brands than that even... Quote
mattp Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 Many years ago, I made a couple of winter traversses in the Presidential Range (of New Hampshire). For mostly low-angled but icy terrain, instep crampons were just fine - and worked well in conjuction with a soft-soled pac-boot that was very good for snowshoeing below timberline. We used to lace them up so that the straps not only crossed over the top of our foot, as in Dru's drawing, but also behind the ankle. One loop went from the back posts of the instep crampons, up over the heel bulge, all-the-way around the ankle, and then back to the other heel post. This, in combination with the straps over the top of the foot, seemed to hold them more securely in place. We used 1/2" webbing for straps and cut it extra long. When you are truly just walking, as I would imagine to be the case on the Mt. Si trail (I have never done it), I would think instep crampons might well be superior to full on ten pointers. Quote
Dru Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 matt i am still waiting for the computer thread where you tell us how your abacus works just fine and you think they are better for some tasks than these new fangled slide rules Quote
Cpt.Caveman Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 (edited) I can think of several summits without trying too hard that one could benefit by using these type of crampons in the proper setting. Mt Si in winter Sahale in summer Eldorado in summer Snowking in the late summer Colchuck in summer Or just about any trivial short or low angled snow approach that could be icy or not much real snow travel at the right time. Edited January 13, 2004 by Cpt.Caveman Quote
Dru Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 they are even lighter than alums when crossing a short section of snow to get to a rock route (eg NE butt of Slesse) and pack down smaller in your pack too Quote
mattp Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 matt i am still waiting for the computer thread where you tell us how your abacus works just fine and you think they are better for some tasks than these new fangled slide rules When adding and subtracting. Much better. But you gotta know how... Quote
layton Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 they are very dangerous if crossing a steep hard slope sideways (ala backbone ridge, bear mtn, and sun ribbon arete) I've had better luck with duct taped crampons and tennis shoes (bring extra duct tape!). Aluminum strap on are the SHIT, however. Quote
Cpt.Caveman Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 yeah but if your name is lambone it's spray fodder. Quote
Lambone Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 yeah, had to give the old plastic boots on Si jab, just for good 'ol times sake. these lings could be good for lots of stuff, especialy in the sierras where you don't get much real glacial ice... Quote
cracked Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 You only get to spray in the Gear Critic if you're a mod? Quote
Dustin_B Posted January 13, 2004 Posted January 13, 2004 For the type of terrain you are describing, I like the Yak Trax or something simliar. They are stretchy rubber dealies that are wrapped with metal wire for traction that stretch over yer shoes soles. Very light very compact and you can 'jog' with them on. Only used them a couple of times but they worked pretty good. I think the limitations of these would be icy trails and not short glacier approaches. Quote
Jonathan Posted January 14, 2004 Author Posted January 14, 2004 Golly gee, all the responses! Seriously, thanks! I'll attempt the drizzling heights of Si and Mailbox with the Stubai insteps and pray they don't pivot off, plunging me into a tree and necessitating an ignominious rescue. Maybe my trusty rusty ol' SMCs may be the way to go, was just looking for a way to save them for when I really want them and extend their life just a wee bit. Cheers, Jonathan Pryce Quote
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