iain Posted January 5, 2004 Posted January 5, 2004 I think this fingerprint b.s. is over the line fingerprint b.s. Quote
allthumbs Posted January 5, 2004 Posted January 5, 2004 It's about fucking time we start securing our borders. Get used to shit like this Iain, it's just the start of a smarter, safer America. Quote
iain Posted January 5, 2004 Author Posted January 5, 2004 sweet I can hardly wait to get that tracking chip installed in my neck, so convenient when I get lost in the woods. Quote
lummox Posted January 5, 2004 Posted January 5, 2004 regime change starts at home. btw. where the fuk is dick cheney? Quote
minx Posted January 5, 2004 Posted January 5, 2004 i'm with iaxx on this. i realize this doesn't apply to US citizens. it feels as though it's the start of a bad precedent. Quote
catbirdseat Posted January 5, 2004 Posted January 5, 2004 It's about fucking time we start securing our borders. Get used to shit like this Iain, it's just the start of a smarter, safer America. For ONCE, I agree with you trask. I heard it takes all of 15 seconds. They are only applying it to those who require visas to enter. I think everyone should be checked, every time. Quote
iain Posted January 5, 2004 Author Posted January 5, 2004 well hell, if it's not me or my family I don't know why I'm worrying about this. scan away! Quote
scott_harpell Posted January 5, 2004 Posted January 5, 2004 By October, all visitors will be required to have a machine-readable passport or some other method of biometric identification, such as fingerprints or retina scans. well. if you are comming in on visa and you dont have a passport that is machine readable it only makes sense that you are gonna at least get fingerprinted. Quote
Stonehead Posted January 5, 2004 Posted January 5, 2004 (edited) Interesting reaction by Brazil... Brazil Starts Fingerprinting U.S. Travelers Federal Judge Julier Sebastiao da Silva, furious at U.S. plans to fingerprint and photograph millions of visitors on entering the United States, ordered Brazil's authorities do the same to U.S. citizens starting on Thursday. "We've begun doing this," said a Federal Police spokeswoman at Brazil's Guarulhos International Airport in Sao Paulo. The judge's order came after Brazil's Federal Public Ministry filed a complaint in court over the U.S. measure. The US-VISIT system is meant to identify people who have violated immigration controls, have criminal records or belong to groups listed as terrorist organizations by the United States. Starting on Monday, people who need visas to enter the United States will be digitally fingerprinted and photographed when they pass through immigration at major U.S. airports and seaports. The measure does not apply to citizens of 27, mainly European, nations who do not need a visa to enter the United States. I'd imagine that the European governments probably have adequate internal policing and cooperate with INTERPOL. If I recall correctly, the idea of an international police organization developed around the late 1800's to early 1900's in response to actions by anarchy groups, actions such as bombings and assassinations. The image of the villain in black cape getting ready to toss a round bomb came from these anarchists. These guys also tied pretty girls to the railroad tracks, too. Edited January 5, 2004 by Stonehead Quote
Dru Posted January 5, 2004 Posted January 5, 2004 These guys also tied pretty girls to the railroad tracks, too. bullshit, thats a black-hatted Hollywood cowboy thing. And actually, many of the bomb throwers were Nihilists. But who could tell the difference between a russian nihilist and a russian anarchist? Quote
Stonehead Posted January 5, 2004 Posted January 5, 2004 These guys also tied pretty girls to the railroad tracks, too. bullshit, thats a black-hatted Hollywood cowboy thing. And actually, many of the bomb throwers were Nihilists. But who could tell the difference between a russian nihilist and a russian anarchist? Yeah, yeah, it's caricatured propanganda meant to send you the message that these guys hate all things good people like. Baseball, hotdog, apple pie,...sweet girls. So, what makes a bomb-throwing activist a nihist as opposed to an anarchist? Quote
Dru Posted January 5, 2004 Posted January 5, 2004 Nihilists were decadent and literally wanted nothing in particular (like Pere Ubu, they wanted to even destroy the ruins) whereas most of the Russian anarchists were more collectivist but anti-Marxist if that makes any sense. Quote
Stonehead Posted January 5, 2004 Posted January 5, 2004 Would you have considered Marquis de Sade a nihilist or an anarchist or both? BTW, I know he's French not Russian and he lived earlier. Quote
Stonehead Posted January 5, 2004 Posted January 5, 2004 i believe he was a Sadist What about Aleister Crowley? Quote
Dru Posted January 5, 2004 Posted January 5, 2004 Crowley was and is a misunderstood philosopher. Quote
Stonehead Posted January 5, 2004 Posted January 5, 2004 Seems the common thread between being a libertine, a nihilist, and an anarchist is the disregard of convention and ultimately of authority imposed from without. "I write of the great eternal truths that bind all men together the whole world over. We eat, we shit, we fuck, we kill, and we die." --Marquis de Sade, In Literature Quote
allthumbs Posted January 5, 2004 Posted January 5, 2004 In my opinion, the only folks opposed to this non-American fingerprinting idea would be those with something to hide. If they don't want to be fingerprinted I don't want them in my country. Quote
Dru Posted January 5, 2004 Posted January 5, 2004 and here i thought it was you got to wear black and look cool Quote
iain Posted January 5, 2004 Author Posted January 5, 2004 "have nothing to hide" is a fairly relative condition. you may well have something to hide if it suits the government in the future, even if you think you did nothing wrong at the time. Quote
murraysovereign Posted January 5, 2004 Posted January 5, 2004 This whole fingerprinting thing was being discussed on CBC Radio this AM, and it was pointed out that most suicide bombers, for instance, had no criminal records, no police files of any kind that would have raised suspiscion. Their first ever criminal act was to blow themselves up in a bus or restaurant or crowded street. Similarly, the 9/11 highjackers could have successfully entered the US even with the fingerprinting requirement, because none of them had previously done anything that would have prevented them entering the country. So, while this measure has the appearance of "securing our borders" and bringing about "a smarter, safer America" there's a fair bit of window-dressing going on here. It looks good to the crowd passing by, but its actual effectiveness is questionable. Quote
scott_harpell Posted January 5, 2004 Posted January 5, 2004 whatever. the only people that are effected are those that dont have an electronically readable passport. if you dont have the proper identification, you can get fingerprinted, get the passport or stay out. Quote
iain Posted January 5, 2004 Author Posted January 5, 2004 I'm sure it will help but it is the equivalent of getting a barcode tattooed on your arm. For some reason I don't find that very appealing Quote
scott_harpell Posted January 5, 2004 Posted January 5, 2004 try getting into any major country without a passport. Quote
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