j_b Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 this time without the spin, from james zogby himself: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chelle Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 Thanks j_b. Very interesting when you look at the actual figures. I somtimes wonder if Bush et al. thinks leading the country like CEOs lead a corporation is the appropriate way to use information and make policy. I used to see this sort of spin all the time in my corporate consulting days. Execs only taking from survey data the parts that support their "story" or "strategy" for their pet project...then spinning it out to the ranks in hopes to rally support for the next great thing that will produce profit. Unfortunately, most of the time this backfires in corporate America and I'm thinking in the government too. The behavior (on the part of Iraqi citizens) doesn't follow the spin by our "executives". People are starting to figure this out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter_Puget Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 j_b said: this time without the spin, from james zogby himself: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17021 Damn I hate spin too. By the way James Zogy is not the same as John Zogby who is the poll meister. Ignorance or Spin: you make the call. PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_b Posted October 22, 2003 Author Share Posted October 22, 2003 ehmmic said: I somtimes wonder if Bush et al. thinks leading the country like CEOs lead a corporation is the appropriate way to use information and make policy. I used to see this sort of spin all the time in my corporate consulting days. Execs only taking from survey data the parts that support their "story" or "strategy" for their pet project...then spinning it out to the ranks in hopes to rally support for the next great thing that will produce profit. Unfortunately, most of the time this backfires in corporate America and I'm thinking in the government too. The behavior (on the part of Iraqi citizens) doesn't follow the spin by our "executives". People are starting to figure this out. it does seem to be part of a concerted effort to misrepresent the iraqi situation and wait out the drop in the national polls (while they pray for something 'good' to happen so that we forget). i assume you heard about the form letters supposedly spontaneously sent by deployed military personel to local us papers. there is for certain one consistent aspect through it all over this past year: whenever their misrepresentation is exposed, they just spin the situation a little harder. so predictable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 Bush is a fucking ass-clown. I'm lookin' to vote for another conservative, but would consider a moderate if one is available around votin' time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunglehead Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 He's not a clown, Trask. Lookie here.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 I'm now convinced Trask is stalking you j_b. I think it's horible how you don't feel safe to post on CC without the big bad bullys picking on you. Call the cops asap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 j_b sucks donkey dicks, just look here -----> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=you+are+a+moron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairweather Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 I'm afraid to click on j_b's links. You never know where you might end up.....and who might be out there takin' names. PP's and Trask's links are OK, and I would be proud to have my cookies associated with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlpineK Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 On a more serious note (I couldn't help myself earlier), I would have to agree with Michelle. Polls can help you understand some things, but I think even the best ones fail to capture the entire picture. In this case how much do the 30some percent of people hate us? If they really really hate us they can make our occupation horible (as if it doesn't suck right now) Also a poll is a snapshot at a fixed time; random unplanned events can drastically change people's views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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