Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted July 8, 2003 Author Posted July 8, 2003 Kiwi said: If guns ownership was removed, I reckon stabbings and 'alternative' forms of homocide will rise to compensate. Guns just happen to be really convenient and efficient. This has got to be irony right here. Please say that it is. Because you couldn't possibly actually believe that. Could you? Convenient and efficient, convenient and efficient, convenient and efficient. The same motivating factors behind pay-at-the-pump, U-Scan, sport climbing, the automobile, etc. etc. etc. Fuckin' A, people; a convenient and efficient killing implement makes it gobs easier to decide to kill someone. Fuck guns. Quote
Greg_W Posted July 8, 2003 Posted July 8, 2003 JGowans said: This country has over 11,000 deaths a year from guns. Please cite a source if you're going to play the numbers game. Quote
Kiwi Posted July 8, 2003 Posted July 8, 2003 Dr_Flash_Amazing said: This has got to be irony right here. Please say that it is. Because you couldn't possibly actually believe that. Could you? Convenient and efficient, convenient and efficient, convenient and efficient. The same motivating factors behind pay-at-the-pump, U-Scan, sport climbing, the automobile, etc. etc. etc. Fuckin' A, people; a convenient and efficient killing implement makes it gobs easier to decide to kill someone. Fuck guns. I still stand by my statement. I never said I support guns. I just believe that removing guns will NOT remove the natural humans desire to murder. Sure the extra effort required to kill someone will deter some, but--I reckon--not most. Quote
erik Posted July 8, 2003 Posted July 8, 2003 big man with a gun i am a big man (yes i am) and i have a big gun got me a big old dick and i i like to have fun held against your forehead i'll make you suck it maybe i'll put a hole in your head you know, just for the fuck of it i can reduce you if i want i can devour i'm hard as fucking steel, and i've got the power i'm every inch a man, and i'll show you somehow me and my fucking gun nothing can stop me now shoot shoot shoot shoot shoot i'm going to come all over you me and my fucking gun me and my fucking gun NIN Quote
Dr_Flash_Amazing Posted July 8, 2003 Author Posted July 8, 2003 It takes some gumption to get up close and personal and cut somebody up, to get that imploding-melon feeling of bat-to-skull action in your hands, blood spattering your face, etc. DFA would counter that the removal from the gritty realities of the act that a firearm allows, coupled with the aforementioned convenience and efficiency (and of course the ready availability of guns) makes it much easier and more attractive to lay waste to your fellow humans. Quote
Greg_W Posted July 8, 2003 Posted July 8, 2003 Dr_Flash_Amazing said: It takes some gumption to get up close and personal and cut somebody up, to get that imploding-melon feeling of bat-to-skull action in your hands, blood spattering your face, etc. DFA would counter that the removal from the gritty realities of the act that a firearm allows, coupled with the aforementioned convenience and efficiency (and of course the ready availability of guns) makes it much easier and more attractive to lay waste to your fellow humans. Flip side of that is that it is easier to defend yourself as a 72-year old woman when a would be thief breaks into your house at 2 am (actually happened). Quote
JGowans Posted July 8, 2003 Posted July 8, 2003 Here's one.. http://www.lcav.org/content/gunviolence.asp Not the one I used for my previous stat but it'll do. I got the "11,000 deaths" from Stupid White Men. I'll reearch his source tonight and get back to you. Here's some more fodder: Gun Death - International Comparisons Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated): Homicide Suicide Unintentional USA 4.08 (1999) 6.08 (1999) 0.42 (1999) Canada 0.54 (1999) 2.65 (1997) 0.15 (1997) Switzerland 0.50 (1999) 5.78 (1998) - Scotland 0.12 (1999) 0.27 (1999) - England/Wales 0.12 (1999/00) 0.22 (1999) 0.01 (1999) Japan 0.04* (1998) 0.04 (1995) <0.01 (1997) * Homicide & attempted homicide by handgun Data collected by Philip Alpers, Harvard Injury Control Research Center, and HELP Network Additional data can be found in Table A.10 of the World report on violence and health, published by the World Health Organization on 3rd October 2002. Quote
Greg_W Posted July 8, 2003 Posted July 8, 2003 trask said: who's got the best deal on gun oil? I've got extra; I'll loan you some at the next "gathering" Quote
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