allthumbs Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 Cpt.Caveman said: vegetablebelay said: Joshk likes the way Bob Dole grips that pen. It sounds more like he likes the way Jimmy Carter strokes his chicken. yeah, that little wanker jimmy carter is always playing with his nuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 Veggie - Did you look at the original post on this thread? It is almost exclusively referring to statements that have proven to be lies or, at best, major distortions of the truth that were offered with complete disregard for contradictory information. It is not too soon to call Bush and Powell liars. I wouldn't be surprised if they find some evidence of chemical or biological weapons, and of course we all know that Saddam was a terrible dictator and his people had the know-how to make WMD even if they didn't have anything when we went in there, and one might well argue that we were going to have to go in sooner or later, but this thread is about offering lies to justify our foreign policy. Apparently you have no problem with that. I suppose you must think "the ends justify the means" or something like that -- when it comes to Bush and company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa_Eagle Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 Cpt.Caveman said: and billary didnt inhale or have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky either. I think we've determined that both presidents lied, but at least our previous president didn't INVADE ANOTHER COUNTRY in the name of our own security. For all you people out there supporting Bush and criticizing Clinton, here's a question. How many people died because of the following lies: 1. I did not have sexual relations with that woman 2. Saddam has an advanced nuclear weapons program Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 previous president didn't INVADE ANOTHER COUNTRY in the name of our own security are you so sure baby? shave the armpits and read some news... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa_Eagle Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 umm, I do read news. We invaded a country and claimed it was for our own security. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 i'm not talking about this president deary...the last one did something a bit more similar, but less provoked and less talked about... read... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 YEAH FENCE SHITTER CLINTON DID NOT LIE TO JUSTIFY HIS ACTIONS IN KOSOVO OR WHEREVER ELSE HE SHOT MISSLES AT OR SENT US/UN PEACE KEEPING TROOPS. CLINTON DID LIE FOR HUMPING A FAT CHICK. BUSH LIED TO JUSTIFY HIS ACTIONS IN USING FORCE. TWO DIFFERENT THINGS HERE SMART GUY. CLINTON KILLED US SOLIDERS LEGALLY, BUSH DID NOT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 hey chica asked me how many people died cause of clinton's lies... well he did lie about actions there adn 35,000 died in that war... so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 WHAT LIES?? AND WHAT CONFLICT? THERE IS NO DENYING HE IS A LIAR, BUT WHAT LIES DID HE PROPAGATE THAT LED TO 35K US TROOPS DEAD?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 and you are wrong...bush did kill his soldiers legally...what did he do wrong? you asy he lied...but it has only been a couple of months....to search a country the size of what? texas? gimme a break... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 THAT LAST POST MADE NO SENSE... YOU WRITE MORE GIBBERISH THEN I.. PLEASE RESTATE IT IN PLAIN ENGLISH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 Fence_Sitter said: hey chica asked me how many people died cause of clinton's lies... well he did lie about actions there adn 35,000 died in that war... so... You are saying the Clinton lied about Kosovo? What lie? America went into that with open eyes. Erik, it wasn't 35,000 US dead. Serbian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa_Eagle Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 How is invading another country for no real reason "legal"? And if there was a real reason, where is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshK Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 erik said: YOU WRITE MORE GIBBERISH THEN I.. PLEASE RESTATE IT IN PLAIN ENGLISH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 catbirdseat said: Fence_Sitter said: hey chica asked me how many people died cause of clinton's lies... well he did lie about actions there adn 35,000 died in that war... so... You are saying the Clinton lied about Kosovo? What lie? America went into that with open eyes. Clinton and his war plans were both a joke. He fucked up every turn he took. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattp Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 Fence Sitter - You have the same problem that Veggie has - a special brand of selective amnesia and a refusal to discuss a point. We are talking about lies or distortions that were offered before the war to justify going in there -- statements that have been proven to have been completely inaccurate at the time that they were offered. Yes, they may still find some WMD -- but that would not change the fact that they lied repeatedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 he also claimed that it was in our nation's best intrest and the intrest of our security to bomb during the kosovo conflict. what did he lie about? he said that the reason he was intervening was becasue of the oppression that milosevic was delivering....but what about rwanda? their oppression was litterally 20 times worse...so...obviously it wasn't about the oppression...did it mabe have to do with russia? i think so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 Matt, show me the proof that they lied. You're as narrow minded as the NYT. You Dems. are all for the proof...so show me the proof that Bush lied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa_Eagle Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 and will you also try and tell us that Iraq isn't about the oil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 who gives a shit if it was? that's not the point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa_Eagle Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 trask said: Matt, show me the proof that they lied. You're as narrow minded as the NYT. You Dems. are all for the proof...so show me the proof that Bush lied. Where is the evidence that he *didn't* lie? If they had enough evidence to go to war about it, why haven't they found it yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 AMATUER POLYSCI I LIKE IT! SOOO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING FENCE? CLINTON LIED TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE REPEATEDLY ON NATIONAL TELEVISON ABOUT THE WAR IN KOSOVO?? WHAT ARE THE LIES?? YOU KNOW IN REALITY THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CLINTON AS HE IS NO LONGER PRESIDENT. SO BUSH AND HIS CRONIES ARE STILL LIARS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 mattp said: Fence Sitter - You have the same problem that Veggie has - a special brand of selective amnesia and a refusal to discuss a point. We are talking about lies or distortions that were offered before the war to justify going in there -- statements that have been proven to have been completely inaccurate at the time that they were offered. Yes, they may still find some WMD -- but that would not change the fact that they lied repeatedly. but matt i can say the same about liberals...you blame bush...i blame bush...i blame clinton...you justify clinton because of a partisan driven blindness that you suggest that i alone have... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fence_Sitter Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 Ursa_Eagle said: trask said: Matt, show me the proof that they lied. You're as narrow minded as the NYT. You Dems. are all for the proof...so show me the proof that Bush lied. Where is the evidence that he *didn't* lie? If they had enough evidence to go to war about it, why haven't they found it yet? DAN!?!?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allthumbs Posted May 14, 2003 Share Posted May 14, 2003 Ursa_Eagle said: trask said: Matt, show me the proof that they lied. You're as narrow minded as the NYT. You Dems. are all for the proof...so show me the proof that Bush lied. Where is the evidence that he *didn't* lie? If they had enough evidence to go to war about it, why haven't they found it yet? Fine then .... an impasse. Let's go drink and admire each other's anatomy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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