highclimb Posted December 11, 2001 Share Posted December 11, 2001 i bought myself a pair of Black Prophets last year when they were clearing them out because they stopped production. now i have a question....the adze and the hammer are different than the rage, cobra tools.....do they still make the adze and the hammers for the BP's? what happens if i break one of them? i know its unlikely that i will but i was still just wondering. Thanks, Aidan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambone Posted December 11, 2001 Share Posted December 11, 2001 You probably won't break one...And if you did I'm sure BD has stock piles of them. But if you'd like another hammer, I've got an extra layin around. Let me know and I'll send it too ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted December 11, 2001 Share Posted December 11, 2001 Those are good questions Aidan. That is part of the reason I sold mine to Ibex. When I sold them yes they were available but only if you specifically ordered them. Now I got some Grivels. From what I understand they have been using the Cascade pick and hammer design I have for many years. I like to rely on a company that does not change things on me. Therefore reducing my chances of wanting to buy other tools because they phased mine out, or reduced the production. Another reason I am not gung ho for some of the BD stuff all the time. I hope you can find some if you need them. I recommend buying a spare set of picks in case they stop making them. They can say "we will continue making them" but I dont believe it much. What happened to the BD Fin biners ? Black Diamond Mail Order2084 East 3900 South Salt Lake City, UT 84124 phone: 801.278.5533 fax: 800.775.7625 or 801.278.5544 email: bdmo@bdel.com [ 12-11-2001: Message edited by: Cpt.Caveman ] [ 12-11-2001: Message edited by: Cpt.Caveman ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Posted December 11, 2001 Share Posted December 11, 2001 heres a link to some extra picks for less than $20. Don't know about the hammers/adzes but let me know if you find some. http://rei-outlet.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=2538755&prmenbr=8000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted December 11, 2001 Share Posted December 11, 2001 Wonder why they are on close out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted December 11, 2001 Share Posted December 11, 2001 actually ray, the stinger pick is the best one bd has made in awhile. other then the aermet. but bd changes their pick design by lengthing it and make it a little wider so it could meet ce requirments. i feel the stinger pick cleans easier. bd ice tools hace had the same adze, hammer and pick attachments for almost 15yrs now. and i donot beleive they are going to change it, especailly without supporting the last 15yrs worth of gear. sure the cobra heads are different, but it ia a different breed of tool all together. people that don't know how to use them think they suck.... ihave used them a few times and with concentrated techniques they rock, but i do not own them so i will not swing them, well atleast until i can afford them. one reason the fin biner went out was because of quality control issues. though they do rock for ice. so aidan do not worry about bd abandoning their equip and like bone said they prob gots tons of them. and the newer adze with the drop down then center fits the older bp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted December 11, 2001 Share Posted December 11, 2001 You wrong erik they are diffrent. Mine did not fit old shit. [ 12-11-2001: Message edited by: Cpt.Caveman ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erik Posted December 11, 2001 Share Posted December 11, 2001 quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: You wrong erik they are diffrent. Mine did not fit old shit.[ 12-11-2001: Message edited by: Cpt.Caveman ] hmm i must have gotten new old shit that was new and worked on old shit. were you attaching them correctly i know at first the bd system is slightly confusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted December 11, 2001 Share Posted December 11, 2001 yeah. I was. But I will let adain and ibex worry bout it now. I got grivellys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj001f Posted December 11, 2001 Share Posted December 11, 2001 Aidan - If your looking to buy BP Adze/Hammer's Mountain Gear in Spokane (alias mgear.com) has them on clearance for $17 each. Black Diamond usually keeps a stock of spares for all of their discontinued tools, but I wouldn't necessarily count on this in the future. Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdietsch Posted December 11, 2001 Share Posted December 11, 2001 Aidan, I also suggest you check with Marmot in Bellevue, they have been really good at stock pile'ng spare parts for all sorts of tools. I picked up a spare BP Adze there last year for $12. Wes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted December 11, 2001 Share Posted December 11, 2001 Good advice but when I went there (Marmot Bellevue) they did not have them. Then I said to myself sell them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highclimb Posted December 12, 2001 Author Share Posted December 12, 2001 thank you all, i was just wondering since they dont make the tool anymore. i feel bad for you cpt.! why did you sell them?! they are the best tool ever made!!! Aidan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambone Posted December 12, 2001 Share Posted December 12, 2001 Agreed, I will always have a place for old BP's in my heart, oh and that offer still stands- send me your address. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted December 12, 2001 Share Posted December 12, 2001 quote: Originally posted by highclimb: thank you all,i was just wondering since they dont make the tool anymore. i feel bad for you cpt.! why did you sell them?! they are the best tool ever made!!! Aidan They are fantastic tools. I look to the future of climbing and needing new picks hammers etc for my tools. Plus they got heavy climbing multi pitch ice. I used my partners tools that were much lighter and decided I wanted lighter tool. 98% of my climbing with them is on waterfalls so I dont need them much for alpine ice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdietsch Posted December 12, 2001 Share Posted December 12, 2001 Hey Cavey, If I remember right didn't you say something a while back about buying the DMM Flys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt.Caveman Posted December 12, 2001 Share Posted December 12, 2001 quote: Originally posted by wdietsch: Hey Cavey,If I remember right didn't you say something a while back about buying the DMM Flys? Yep they are good. But I finally made another decision. The Grivel Light machine weighs same about. Also the radical curve is better for waterfalls. I plan on getting some flys for alpine ice though. [ 12-12-2001: Message edited by: Cpt.Caveman ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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