Mt Hood Route Progression

[korengalois]

I've done around 20 grade II & III alpine climbs in the PNW (including Hood old chute twice) and want to build my steep snow / easy ice skills this winter and spring. A friend lent me his Hood climber's guidebook recently and it seems like there's a wide variety of routes that naturally lend themselves to a progression. I'm wondering how sensible this progression seems to you all and if the grades seem accurate (esp since the guidebook is around 10 years old now and things change). I will list the guidebook grades follow by the MP grades in this format (Guidebook rating / MP rating)

1) S Side Old Chute (grade II / AI1 easy snow)

2) S Side Pearly Gates (same as above)

3) Steel Cliff S Face (Grade II+ / AI2 steep snow)

4) Leuthold Couloir (Grade II / moderate snow)

5) Devil's Kitchen Headwall (Grade II, WI3 / AI2-3 Steep Snow)

6) North Face Right Gully (Grade III WI3 / WI3 Mod Snow) 

...

7) Yocum Ridge (Grade IV AI3, AI3 Steep Snow)

Note: I know this progression has to be complemented by other WI climbing especially before doing any WI3 leading. 

I'm also curious how some of these routes compare to similar mixed routes in WA like Colchuck NEB Couloir,  Triple Couloirs, Kautz, Baker N Ridge, etc. 

[mthorman]

I am not a local to the Hood scene to I can't comment too much on your progression.  But I can help compare to some other routes in the Cascades that you listed.  First off I want to say that many of these routes can be in a wide variety of conditions based on the year so take that into consideration.

I have climbed S Side Old Chute/Pearly Gates as well as the Reid Headwall on Hood.  I have also done NE Couloir on Colchuck, Triple Couloirs on Dragontail, Kautz on Rainier, N Ridge of Baker and NW Ice Couloir on Eldorado.

Obviously you are familiar with the Old Chute on Hood so I will base things off that and go through them in order of difficulty.

The Reid Headwall I solod in good condition and felt very comfortable.  We roped up for the glacier down low then solod the actual route and skied off the summit (down the south chute).  I felt like the actual route was similar to the steep section of Pearly Gates route just for a lot longer.  It felt very secure soloing with 2 tools.

NE Couloir on Colchuck was similar to the Reid Headwall in terms of difficulty.  I did it in May when it was in good fat condition.  I took my wife who wasn't comfortable soloing and we did a simul with a couple points of running pro in places.  Just good steep snow climbing.

NW Ice Couloir on Eldorado I did in April of a fat snow year.  As such it was all snow and zero ice.  I would not recommend.  We simul-climbed the couloir in 1 block and found the crux to be at the top where it was vertical snow the consistency of cotton candy.  Not hard enough to climb well but not really easy to clear either. Very challenging conditions for 20ft with marginal gear.  Most of it was similar to the 2 above routes but with a much steeper/scary exit.

Kautz Glacier was done in June.  We had great condition and a fair bit of steep snow and less ice.  I think it would actually be a fun ice climb later in July but by then the other parts of the mountain are typically so baked.  We simul-climbed as two parties of 3.  The leader on the first rope put in screws and the last person on the 2nd rope pulled them out.  It was only a couple rope lengths and it felt pretty casual.  That said I am very comfortable on vertical ice so this was chill in comparison.  It might approach a WI2 pitch in thin years in July/August but in June it wasn't even close to that.  

Triple Couloirs on Dragontail I climbed in March of a fat year.  We solod all the steep snow couloirs.  They are steep but the snow was great and felt very comfortable with 2 tools.  As I remember, the 1st couloir had the steepest snow sections particularly getting into the entrance and 1 point halfway up where it narrows had a steep section.  We pitched out the ice between the 1st and 2nd couloir.  This ice felt very much like WI3 climbing.  Plenty of good ice for gear or nearby rock.  Lots of places to rest but terrain I would not want to solo.  We did solo the mixed step between the 2nd and 3rd couloirs.  We probably shouldn't have but we weren't really paying too much attention (just going up) and didn't realize that we should have pulled out the rope until we were in the middle of it.  At that point it felt easier to just keep going then try and reverse course and pull out the rope. 

North Ridge on Baker I climbed in July.  I feel like this route changes from year to year as the ice cliff changes.  We found lots of steep snow climbing below the cliff (similar to above mentioned climbs) that we solod.  Then we had the actual proper cliff and terrain above and below.  We did 4 pitches of pitched out climbing.  We could have done it in fewer pitches but we didn't have enough screws.  We had assumed it would be a short steep step but it was much longer.  Here are a few notes from my journal I wrote 10 years ago.

"Made it up to the crux ice step and had to take a 2nd look.  The easier left hand variation is supposed to be a 60-70 degree ice ramp.  What we found resembled rock.  There were cracks and corners, ledges and ribs and all of it on 100 feet of 80° ice!  He [my partner] led a short pitch of 60-70 degree ice up to the steep part.  We only had a 30 meter rope and 6 ice screws because we thought it would be easier.  This meant we could only place 2 or 3 screws in between belays. I tried to run things out and led two pitches of ice.  Then he led a little more to the crest and onto the steep slopes above."

 

Anyway hopefully that helps compare them a little.  Good luck with your climbing progression!!  Just remember that a lot of people (myself included) solo a lot of steep snow on these types of routes.  But everyone needs to evaluate the pros and cons of such a move.  There are lots of places were a fall would be very painful if not deadly.  However if you have to move through 2000 vertical ft of terrain pitching out that much will take a LONG time.  There are pros and cons to everything and just because somebody does it one way doesn't mean that everybody else should follow suit.

 

[mammothclimbs]

Another fun Spring route you could look at if you're looking to get some more mileage on steep snow on Hood could be the Cooper Spur. I climbed the route two years ago in June (would recommend earlier in the Spring), and found it to be an enjoyable step up from the standard south side route at the time. The route follows a very obvious line, and has ~2000ft of snow increasing in steepness to ~45 degrees, until you get to the "chimneys" section near the summit which can be a little steeper. There is some rockfall potential on the route, so it's worth thinking through start time, if you're comfortable soloing the route (as mentioned in above post, unchecked fall very dangerous, but attempting a running belay on snow for such a duration is often impractical), route of descent, ... Otherwise, looks like a reasonable progression of routes, especially if you're working on your ice climbing in the meantime.

[bedellympian]

Yocum should not follow N Face R Gully. N Face R Gully is WI and Yocum is rime ice. If your goal is Yocum you should climb mutliple variations on the Reid Headwall first. Some time on Illumination (W Ridge or similar) would be good too.

I would go over the top and climb Elliot HW before you climb N Face R Gully, it's logistically easier.

RE WA climbs, here is what I've experienced, but as MThorman describes above, conditions fluctuate a lot...

Colchuck NEB is mostly snow, if you can climb Cooper Spur or Reid HW on Hood you'll be more than fine.

Triple Couloirs stacks up like N Face R Gully... maybe a little harder crux pitches, if it's in good shape.

Kautz is more glacier travel, if you can do that and climb some ice + have the fitness you'll be fine. Sunshine route might be a good trainer on Hood, but by no means a pre-req.

Baker N Ridge is like a combo of Cooper Spur exposure with N Face R Gully schrund/ice climbing (but the ice is glacier ice so different, usually pretty easy ice climbing if you want it to be).

I assume you're closer to Hood if you want to focus on it this much?

Edited December 4 by bedellympian

[korengalois]

Thanks everyone for the super useful responses. 

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I assume you're closer to Hood if you want to focus on it this much?

I'm actually in WA and am primarily focused on climbing here. I've just been interested in Hood routes because they seem like a good option Jan-April when most of the WA routes are still pretty hard to reach. All the objectives I really care about long term are in WA (Liberty Ridge, Baker N Ridge, Triple Couloirs etc). 

I tend to make a lot of spreadsheets and entered the Hood routes here:

 

[bedellympian]

1 hour ago, korengalois said:

 

I would not put much stock in the commitment grades, or what is listed on MP. I would look at total vertical gain for the route, number of technical pitches, and skills involved (water ice, rime, glacier travel). For example, Sandy is a ski run most of the season and basically just involves high daggering or kicking steps for 1500' which most competent people can climb in under 90 minutes, but getting there is a pain the butt. Yocum is going to involve a bit shorter approach but the route is going to involve complex and tedious rime climbing and will take many hours regardless of how "good" you are.

TBH though, I would focus on Snoqualmie if that is a closer drive. The approaches are not any longer than back side of Hood and there is more interesting technical terrain to choose from.

[korengalois]

Thanks. Regarding Snoqualmie I'm looking at S Gulley on Guye and McClellan N Couloir, and Chair obviously. You familiar with these or have any other recs? 

[Lostbolt]

On 12/5/2024 at 12:09 PM, korengalois said:

Thanks. Regarding Snoqualmie I'm looking at S Gulley on Guye and McClellan N Couloir, and Chair obviously. You familiar with these or have any other recs? 

Have done Chair buttress in a dry powder year and a good water ice year. Chair is very comparable to DK1/Gates on hood as far as difficultly to me. Route finding isn't  to bad/ hard Climb enough and you can sniff a way up. The higher consequnce part is the slabs just below and above the Wi3 step on Chair. The snow conditions are way more sensitive. NY Gully is a good challenging route to get on up there.  This based on multi summits of Hood,Adams,Rainier, ectect.

 

 

Shoot me a PM and we can exchange information, I am always looking for personality's that fit and another option on the climbing contacts list.

[aikidjoe]

On 11/27/2024 at 2:23 PM, mthorman said:

Triple Couloirs on Dragontail I climbed in March of a fat year.  We solod all the steep snow couloirs.  They are steep but the snow was great and felt very comfortable with 2 tools.  As I remember, the 1st couloir had the steepest snow sections particularly getting into the entrance and 1 point halfway up where it narrows had a steep section.  We pitched out the ice between the 1st and 2nd couloir.  This ice felt very much like WI3 climbing.  Plenty of good ice for gear or nearby rock.  Lots of places to rest but terrain I would not want to solo.  We did solo the mixed step between the 2nd and 3rd couloirs.  We probably shouldn't have but we weren't really paying too much attention (just going up) and didn't realize that we should have pulled out the rope until we were in the middle of it.  At that point it felt easier to just keep going then try and reverse course and pull out the rope. 

Re: Triple Couloirs, I've climbed it in fat ice and bony conditions, and the experience is completely different. In fat ice it's pure joy like described above, but when bony it was scary and sketchy as hell, to me anyways, and felt very hard to find gear. I kinda suck at climbing though, so maybe it's just me. It's really hard to catch TC or any of the Dragontail north face climbs in fat conditions I've found sadly. Probably goes without saying, but just throwing it out there because I feel like TC and other Dragontail north face climbs are really fickle to find in prime condition.