olyclimber Posted January 28, 2019 Posted January 28, 2019 https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/how-climate-change-and-a-crumbling-dam-in-the-enchantments-could-change-our-understanding-of-the-pnw-wilderness/ anyone fire this thing up and drive it up assguard? Quote
JasonG Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 Total BS. Those dams were built with pick, shovel, mules, and dynamite. They can be maintained with the same. And don't enlarge them for heaven's sake! Quote
JasonG Posted January 29, 2019 Posted January 29, 2019 But yes, that would be a sight! During larch season would be the best. No problem finding a level campsite. Quote
montypiton Posted February 2, 2019 Posted February 2, 2019 problems: 1) no solution can increase the net amount of water available. humans WILL live with the existing quantity, wishful thinking notwithstanding 2) the dams do predate the wilderness act by a generation - current legal status appears indeterminate, and most likely indeterminable. I eat apples, pears, cherries, and Wenatchee River salmon and steelhead... for the time being... 3) what constitutes "maintenance"? does "maintenance allow a dam to be restored to its historical dimensions? who decides, and how? again, likely legally indeterminable... 4) what constitutes "impact"? aren't trails and thunderboxes human impact? can these be legally permitted in a "Wilderness Area"? bolts...? rappel anchor tat? The mini excavator currently sitting at the eightmile dam might not be noticed by an inattentive visitor... the eightmile lake trail is built on a pre-existing roadbed, much of which is still identifiable to a knowledgeable attentive hiker - the impact of driving the little machine out would likely be unidentifiable to most hikers within a few years... I am skeptical that our society is capable of resolving these issues. We will continue to quarrel over them until our civilization, like every civilization before it, collapses. So I'm just gonna relish living - knowing that: "shit happens... and sometimes it happens to me" Quote
olyclimber Posted February 4, 2019 Author Posted February 4, 2019 On 2/2/2019 at 3:05 PM, montypiton said: I am skeptical that our society is capable of resolving these issues. We will continue to quarrel over them until our civilization, like every civilization before it, collapses. So I'm just gonna relish living - knowing that: "shit happens... and sometimes it happens to me" me too. i used to be more optimistic, but that was during better days (or was it just more ignorant days?) Quote
glassgowkiss Posted February 5, 2019 Posted February 5, 2019 Yeah, a bunch of rich fucks build homes in a place they should not. Dam failure would mean absolutely nothing long term if it wasn't for houses.Well, I would say- let the nature decide. And honestly, get that fucking excavator out of there. Quote
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