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Sept 11 lawsuits can proceed From correspondents in New York September 10, 2003 A US federal judge ruled today that lawsuits can proceed that blame airlines, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey and the Boeing Co for injuries and deaths in the September 11 terrorist attacks. The 49 page ruling by US District Judge Alvin Hellerstein was based on the cases of about 70 of the injured and representatives of those who died in the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Centre, the Pentagon and the crash of a hijacked plane in Pennsylvania. He said the Port Authority, which owns the World Trade Centre property, "has not shown that it will prove its defence of governmental immunity as to negligence allegations made by WTC occupants". The defendants had argued that the lawsuits against them should be dismissed because they had no duty to anticipate and guard against deliberate and suicidal aircraft crashes into the towers and because any alleged negligence on their part was not the cause of the deaths and injuries. The judge said the evidence he had seen does not support Boeing's argument that the invasion and takeover of the cockpit by the terrorists frees it from liability. The plaintiffs said Boeing should have designed its cockpit door to prevent hijackers from invading the cockpit. The plaintiffs had said that American and United Airlines and the Port Authority were legally responsible to protect people on the ground when the hijacked aircraft smashed into the twin towers, causing them to collapse. As a result of the ruling, court officials were preparing for a possible legal onslaught at the Manhattan courthouse as early as this week as some people choose lawsuits over applying to the federal victims compensation fund. December 22 is the last day families may apply to the fund, created by the US Congress to provide financial aid to the families of those killed or injured in the attacks, and to protect the commercial aviation industry from crippling litigation. As of late August, 2275 claims had been filed. But roughly 1700 families had yet to decide whether to enroll with the fund or join lawsuits against the airlines, security companies and government agencies. The average payout so far has been about $US1.5 million ($2.32 million), with the highest award $US6.8 million ($10.52 million). The minimum payout is $US250,000 ($386,877). The fund has made offers averaging $US1.41 million ($2.18 million) to 398 families thus far. About 1600 families have filed papers stating an interest in applying for the fund. The Associated Press http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,7223059%255E1702,00.html All the lawyers out there please explain this shit to me. For some reason this does not compute 2+2=5?

I guess the BECK-A-THON finally hit its plateau. It passed the I hate Erik thread and I doubt the ROBBOB bashing thread will go past it either. But then I have called the games wrong b/4.

Oh, what are you saying? You want a piece of me? COME ON!! Any day, biatch!!!!!!!!! Oh, don't be thinking that just because you're a young sprout that you can take me. I can run pretty fast AND scream real loud, you know. Perhaps , but can you make your alphabet soup talk?? NO? Didn't think so!!!! adventuregal with the takedown! i could use some abuse today...go ahead spare robbobert. Minx, you're too easy.

Which voice do I listen to? The good one or the fun one?

lummox, I'll bet your family tree has no forks.

Well, we have the HATE ERIK thread, the (bash the shit out of) BECK thread. Where do we go now? Yesterday, when I accused you all of being PC I guess I was wrong!

Lummox, that was harsh!

I love B rated sci-fi. A Boy and His Dog; House 1 and 2; The Army of Darkness; Oblivion; The Blob; Liquid Sky are some I have liked over the years. I don't think there is a werewolf or vampire movie I have not enjoyed either. My kids grew up on B rated horror, sci-fi and comedy...needless to say they have a weird sense of humor.

I TAKE IT ALL BACK. AFTER THE ERIK POST THE BECK POST THE OTHER SHIT THAT HIT THE FAN YOU GUYS ARE ALL RIGHT. A PILE OF SPRAY MONGERS AND STILL GOING STRONG. WOW!!!!! HOW MANY HOURS HAS IT BEEN?

Greg, you should try for an appointment as a foreign diplomat under the Bush administration. You have such a flair for words. And so persuasive too. Catturd, go shit yourself, you fuck.

I'm confused. Beck has done nothing different than the rest of us. He has sprayed, some fact and maybe some BS. What the fuck does it matter? Getting political types to look and listen to climbers is good. How can it hurt unless climbers represent themselves as dipshits and fuck offs. But its your state not mine, I just live here for the time being.

Moose steaks, roast, burger, breakfast sausage, spicy sausage, jerked, oh am I missing Alaska right now. Moose its what your mother serves if you are good, otherwise you get store bought beef.

adventuregal, I have two pasties in the freezer and I ate one thursday evening before leaving for the spokan area to go bow hunting. Hey, you never did anwwer me...is that Pictured Rocks for you avatar???(miners cove???)

Sheeeeeeeeeeet I'd rather chatter with that fuckin' limey, Ade.

Fuck its been a tough summer. Hot, and dry. The fish are stressed because of low and warm water conditions, trees are dropping leaves early from lack of rain, animals are having a tough go with low water conditions. Having to travel farther to water up each day. And all the fires...I hope we get a ton of snow and rain so we can build up a reserve for the following summer. Lets worship Heikka Lunta and get some bitchin weather in the Cascades. By the way click on this and you can see a pasty being made in the UP by a Yooper. http://www.pasty.com/index.html

Crack bolter, Your back cast is too quick; you'll end up with wind knots in your leader.

Erik, that is really pathetic. Get a grip. go up someones insurance rates.

http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~kimakiku/issu.html

Good get rid of Jon and change it to Jussi( jon or john in finn) http://staff.csc.fi/~jmaki/ http://els.best.vwh.net/Bjorling/bjorling.shtml

I hate forest fires. I was wandering near condor Buttress after the fires when I happened upon the bodies(what was left)of two deer. I was moved by the experience. I took the remains and covered them but kept the little fella's one antler that did not burn. Sad experience for me. Even though I hunt 'em and eat 'em I respect 'em.

Erik, you know what you therapist said. Now stop all that self abuse and you will lose all that hair on your hands.

Well hell Off White I have been too busy with seniors and getting their handbooks in line for their projects to follow a Peter Pugilist thread.

The pros in alaska use a shot gun when doing fish counts, or fish studies. You have the advantage of using the first round(buck shot at a distance)to blow dust in the bear's face or put a pile of buck shot over their head. I was sold on this by the Feather, Fur and Fin boys and girls. Now, the bow hunters like to have a 45-70 with the stock cut down for bear back up. Basically its personal and ya just have to appreciate that when dealing with a bear, or cat

I just inherrited an old Winchester model '97 that is reported to have the LOUDEST action there is and also has the distinction of not having a trigger disengage meaning that a person can simply hold the trigger and pump the action as fast as they can. This shotgun was also used by US Army in WWI - Korea as a "trench gun" in a modified (short) version. And it compliments my old Winchester '94 rifle so nicely. Bronco, that is a wonderful old shotgun!! Take care of it and it will be handed down again. I got a chance to use one when I was about 14. Never forgot the pump and trigger hold for ducks. It rocked.