sobo

Everybody wants to know where Pub Club is (fer sure) tonight! Relax, Dru, you'll get your record.

JEEEEZUS! What a story! Count me out! No mas, hombre. No mas!

Smoker, I gave up when the total price hit $50 with shipping. Alas, I'm sorry I couldn't help drive the price higher. But you did pretty good, no?

beefcider: Just to clarify... Both the 2-day Wilderness First Aid (WFA) course and the WFR course are offered by NOLS Wilderness Medicine Institute. The WFR is a longer course and it covers a shitpot more scenarios, is more intense, and is generally considered appropriate (or required?) for aspiring guides. The 2-day course is great for the weekend warrior, but like i said, if i had the time and money...

beefcider: At some point in the future, after your tour with RMI, if you intend to continue with climbing and mountaineering, you should consider taking the 2-day avalanche safety/awareness course offered by the National Ski Patrol. Also the 2-day wilderness medicine course offered by NOLS Wilderness Medicine Institute. If I had the time and money, i'd take the longer (1 week?) WFR course. There's no substitute for safety and awareness training, and it can be supplemented by a lot of good reading, titles of which are provided by your course instructors. As always, climb well, be safe, and have fun.

Went in today and the ice is still in, albeit a little thinner. Still doable at WI-3+/4. A couple more plums were picked, the river crossing was made way easier with waders, and last week's webbing at the rap stations sped up descents. Jason: Got photos and beta.

HA! Just too good. Probably sounds even better told with a thick Irish br-r-r-r-rogue.

Amen, Brother.

E tu, gregm?

OK, guys. All very funny. Couldn't help laughing myself. But now help Rob out with some real beta.

WOW! A new forum. Cool! Season's still going strong up there, from my memory. Thanks moderator guys, this should be fun.

Hey Smoker,I've never used eBay before. Is the bid for both screws or for each screw? A PM will suffice.

Hi AK,Last time I did it (2000/2001 season) the center was running full bore, and we climbed "scruffy" ice on both the left and right sides of the flow, with the right side being better ice. Spray didn't seem to be too big of an issue. Got lots of drytooling practice on the left side. Important to add that we had set up a TR. PS: Jason has pimped me by PM for photos and add'l info for "the guide". I'll be sending him the requested info soon. I'm attepmting to set up another trip this weekend, if it's still in (bummed a pair of chest waders from a fishing fanatic here at work ). Will bring along a camera as well. Wish us luck. PPS: Sorry about the long trips over for nothing, Dood. What did you do with all the spare time? If you would have driven up the road another 3/4 mile, you would've seen these flows we're talking about across the river. [ 03-14-2002: Message edited by: sobo ]

jstreet:Ixnay on the photos, although it would be easy to get them. I'll work on it (soon!). Regarding Horsetail Falls, the gong for this season has sounded. Waaaaaay too much water to ever freeze up again this season.

I'll weigh in again, goatboy... S Face Harrison Peak in the Selkirks north and west of Sandpoint, ID. About 8-10 multipitch alpine routes put up in the 80s by the likes of John Roskelley, Chris Kopcinski, Joe Benson, and others. All moderate outings (5.7 - 5.9+) in a pristine alpine setting, with a lovely alpine lake to camp upon, and only a two-mile, 1500 foot gain hike in. Excellent in late August/early September. It's the 20-mile dirt road that keeps out most of the riff-raff. There's an old guidebook by Randall Green for the area, including the granite cliffs around Sandpoint and Lake Pond'Orielle.

ALPINE?Stuart, Lower NE rib variation to the standard couloir, then finished once by the Great Gendarme, and the other by the friction traverse.NF of N Peak of Index. Maybe it was just the company, but what a hoot that was! Both times!Tooth, S Face in winter. What more can i say?Beckey route on LB, teamed up with the NF of Concorde Tower. I always do these (6 times now) as a pair waiting for the LB crowd to clear out. R&D Route, L-worth. 3 times now, plus gave my wife her engagement ring at the top (with a knowing nod to pope, i'm off-topic, too!) Last but not least, Outer Space. At least once or twice a year every year since 1990. But it's getting too greasy now. PS: Almost forgot! Slick Rock outside of McCall, ID. 10 pitches of serene 5.6 crack/slab climbing, and almost nil crowds. And free camping! [ 03-12-2002: Message edited by: sobo ]

OK, after the fiasco at Umptanum, we got some grub and headed into the Little Naches, up Hiway 410 from Cliffdell. About 3/4-mile past Horsetail Falls, across the river, is a large cliff with three distinct falls that were formed right to the water level. We climbed the center group (WI-3+/4). We had to bail near the top because of darkness, and needed two raps to get back to teh gear. Really awesome ice, longish route (200+ feet) for around here, and no crowds. Could be because of the crux river crossing. We had Sorels to cross over, with extra socks, and the benefit of daylight. The return crossing was far from simple, or dry (insert much expletives here). This group of climbs can be found on Forest Road 19, about 1.5 miles in from Hiway 410, just a couple of miles past the little burg of Cliffdell. They seem to take a long time to form, but once in, stay around awhile, unlike the other ice along the road(south-facing) on the way in. Be prepared for high, cold, swift water, not unlike the Drury approach. A pair of hip waders or a couple of plastic garbage bags duct-taped around your legs would serve to stave off the cold misery of the approach and return. When the river freezes over more, an aluminum extension ladder laid across the flows works really well.

Went out Sunday morning with my buddy Cragg (yeah, that's his name) and went in to Umptanum Falls between Wenas Lake and Ellensburg. The falls were running water, but there was a short (25-30 feet) blue plastic smear across the pool at the base of the falls. Since the pool was unfrozen, we dispensed with the rope and did laps solo until we got bored and got our heads worked out. Never having been there before, I would give it WI-2, except that the top-out was interesting with the limited anchorage available for a solo lead. Left and went to the Little Naches River drainage for some real fun. See related TR.

We're gonna have a kid real soon, so we're gonna buy a bunch of that Kiddy fleece shit so our youngun looks like a Seattle Shit Factory. Seriously, anything I would buy at this point from REI would never get used for at least 5 years from now. PS: Climbing gear for sale, all types. Just kiddin'

quote: Who the fuck is Michael Knight? David Parker:He's the honky in the photo. He's David Hasselhoff, who later starred on some bimbo-laden beach TV series. Baywatch or somethin' like that. The picture is from his first(?) TV series, back in the late 70s/early80s, called Knight Rider, about some Trans Am that could talk and do shit like the Batmobile, but on voice que. His character was called Michael Knight. All coming together now? The show was really dorky, but now you must wonder about that about me, since I can recall all this shit. Suffice it to say those were the days immediately before I started climbing, and I had a lot of unproductive time on my hands then...

quote: As to why they just lurk, Was it Woody Allen who said he "would never belong to any organization that would have me as a member" johnny,That remark has been attributed to Groucho Marx

512dude, if Fromage's login has anything to do with French cheese, I'd say it's just fine like it is. Check your Berlitz.

Try the Rock and Ice rag's ice conditions page. It's something likehttp://www.rockandice.com/index.phtml?section=ice It brings up a table with areas to choose from. Used to be pretty accurate site a few years ago. You guys on cc.com seem to be more up to date more recently, tho.

Know your knots and be able to tie them in the dark! My buddy and I once spent 20 minutes at the end of a free-hanging rap trying to figure out how to tie an equalized knot, with our last piece of webbing, to two hangers at a full-on hanging belay , in the dark. Ended up tying an American Death Triangle just to get the hell outta there! Don't forget water, too (we were seriously dehydrated and stumbly - probably didn't help much either). [ 01-22-2002: Message edited by: sobo ]

Thanks much, Rev, for the update. Charlie, have you been out in the local canyons recently?