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Now that’s funny. Just like your log in name smalldick was it? Step away from the keyboard Caddis

why rent if you can buy cheap? Renting is $30-40/day + PIA. You can buy a setup for $200-400 and sell it for same if it sucks.

Same city, some of the same staff - same catalog lineage. I'd attribute that to a dearth of photographers willing to give away their work anymore. If it's good enough for the patagonia catalog they are good enough to be a pro - and thats what they become (or are already). Same for the writers. I can't think of any outdoor product catalog using amateurs (or any amateurs with quality work who remain that way) You don't see many amateurs at those levels of the media anymore - the barriers to becoming 'pro' are so low.

Worst sentence ever? Inconceivable!

That's not true at all. I just finished going through twenty or thirty catalogs from 1986 till now and comparing the tone, style and embarassers count. This started gaining momentum in the late 90's, and the winter catalog is by far the furthest along. 'furthest along'? How so? For preaching on high I'm not sure anything can touch The Whole Art of Natural Protection (can anyone beat Doug Robinson?) If you are talking 'bro/brah' tone & style - forums trump the catalog everytime. And as I said, compared to 'Climbing' Shlock & Vice or the other magazines - Patagucci is tame (or at least free). Perhaps you are just disenchanted with the 'culture'?

You've described every Patagonia catalog produced since day 1. For the price they are still great entertainment - free vs. paying $5 at the newstands for some nice pictures and a trite story or two. Most bigname climbers have been professionals - i.e. it was their vocation - since the 60s. I've as much interest in 'amateur' climbers as 'amateur' porn. There's a few talented photogenic people producing good work who end up going quasi pro - and a ton of fat wannabes.

It's a pot vs kettle battle royale!

sucker. I spent the amount of effort typing - and I'll get to share a Nigerian millionaires fortune! Way better than an iPhone

Just ignore him... maybe he'll go away

95% of the worlds a moron? Quit stealing my lines bitch.

For the right price I'd be his huckleberry* *A billion or two won't matter to him

post us up on apple.com vegan boy

only in his wet dreams

thanks dr phil

So whens the show going to start gimp?

see sobo - you are better than me

Then shouldn't it be renaming itself Chopsticks?

Humble? I challenge anyone to be a shittier climber!

That could be true. In my experience however, most of my friends are a little left of center and damn near all of them are either engineers, IT, or have an MBA. Seems common in Seattle. I realize this doesn't address the issue of what the breakdown in the organizations are; but I wouldn't think an educated contingency would let people without proven analytical skills run things for them. Just a guess... Ever looked at the right of center whackjob institutues? MFAs, MDs and DDs (that be divinity - even more applicable than Fine arts......)

anti buddhist too - damn atheistic liberals

oh pshaw Jim. The Rapture is coming before the bill is due!

they are all pretty much the same. laptop life has more to do with other factors. I know quite a few IT monkeys who swear by (not at) Dell

Definitely not - cost of manufacture (and development) is small compared to the other costs. The short reason why I never bothered to pursue making climbing gear further - no money for alot of work. Personally, I wouldn't mind to see marketing budgets shrink - but I sense that other climbers (including Jens) feel different.

he's only interested in ice cream, not oysters

I was unaware I'm not an engineer. Fuck, better stop using the Bridgeport and lathe to make actual product for actual companies as I have since the millenium I had the fucking work quoted - by a real machine shop, not an Intel employee and grad student - who are grossly overpaying. (to be fair the initial conversation was his son being shocked at how much ice tools cost - it progressed from their) Most of cost for outdoor gear is marketing and distribution.