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Heh. Based on your preferences, I'd reccomend the Tirol. My brain is Bintang'd so I can't remember much except go to Freytag & Berndt in Innsbruck, a bookshop almost solely devoted to Climbing & Skiing - it'll give you permawood http://www.freytagberndt.at/rtc-freytagberndt

Or, how do you stop that voice in your head from going to Big screaming and incapacitating. I can't take exposure of any kind. Anything but solid firm granite. Nasty big hardon producing Indo waves over shallow coral do me in to. there, I said it.

there's routes like that everywhere. how much do you like pork and beer and do you like high altitude?

there's several rock embankments you can climb. open your eyes

That's what my Dr. said

Historically those agencies are the least accountable of public ones. I see nobody shares my real worry - this is like an elderly couple who reverse mortgages their home to pay for more trinkets for their bum son.

You blew it reading Hustler, didn't you?

huh. I slaughtered all my neighbors when I got mine

wonder if he's going to meet him at the McMenamins in Troutdale

Timmy & Johns should self-publish the entire collection of Mt Hood threads.

Not necessarily. Read the book I linked earlier - Robert Moses led the construction of much New York infrastructure to further his own megalomania, paid for by tolls

a whole 116 pages! Move over Mao, fuck off Freedom of the Hills, jerk it jesus, climbers have a new bible!

Replace "pay for upkeep" with "maximize profits" and then maybe we are talking about the Real World. Tolls will go up, and only a fraction of the increase (if any) will come back in any form to the 'consumer.' Why? Because they can. And they will (if they went to business school). All hail neofeudalism! That's not much different than the state controlled infrastructure. The Dulles Toll Road in Virginia was paid off shortly after construction, now it's just a revenue generator.

JayB- That's not new with state owned infrastructure:

ewe overdid who?

hmm, blueballs annoy me as well

Have you been following the powers given to the government for seizure of private property in the war on drugs? Or the difficulty retrieving that property? These same powers are now being deployed in the war on terror. I see no reason they couldn't be used in a war on guns.

Uh JayB the Patriot Act already gave them those powers

midgets that can't spell. I'm not annoyed by fat people, I'm annoyed I have to carve them up and through them in the boiler to render their fat so I can make soap what were you saying about spelling, bitch? Oh...and i corrected my original post... Aggressive rock climbing midgets annoy me. People who should have been soylent green'd (kevbone) but haven't annoy me

midgets that can't spell. I'm not annoyed by fat people, I'm annoyed I have to carve them up and through them in the boiler to render their fat so I can make soap

fat people. stupid people. americans. europeans. asians.

there's more quacks than a duckpond in this thread.

ahh, dru's that kind of climbing partner

It's better to have too warm a bag then too cold a bag. 15 degrees will be fine, you could probably do it with a 30 degree bag as well. 15 degree bags will be more useful in the long run in my experience. Down is fine for most trips, but I've come close to passing on because my down bag was soaking wet on day 6 of a trip.

dude, go all out and hire a Sherpa to porter your cot and Duvet. Do it DAV Summit club style