Winter

Try to Euro web sites if you can stand the spray you will get for not supporting the local shops.

Sassy's. A friend of mine picked up Ms. Nude Oregon at Sassy's. That place is classic.

I'm in and vote for next Tue or Wed. If you twist my arm, I may get drunk on Fri. I can't make Thurs., because I've already agreed to get drunk with someone else.

JayB - You're point is well taken. I'm not from the "condescending white paternalism" mode, and I shouldn't attack Greg W personally. I will say that accusing all Indians of being lazy is most definitely racist as are many of the comments on this thread. I'm not jumping on people for arguing that Indians shouldn't be able to exclude people from public land - a valid viewpoint. But comments like "they should at least try" is out of line, and I'm gonna call that shit out. - Chris

Assuming that "they" don't seek out opportunities or try is also racist. You just called an entire group of people lazy based on their race. And we're supposed to take your word that "racism has nothing to do with who has all the money"?

Holy shit. Just read this one. Trask, no disrespect to you, but you're a racist pig. If you think Indians walk into an interview on a level playing field with whites, no matter what their dress, think again. Systemic and overt discrimination is real. Your comments higlight the problem in our country, because white people hold all the power and all the money, yet everyone still tries to convince themselves that everyone has the same opportunities despite their race. Don't fluff our egalitarian economy until you've walked in the shoes of everyone.

Hey folks - I think this thread is long overdue. A couple of points to consider. 1. Indians do indeed have a unique right to certain lands. Like it or not we stole their stuff (in most cases). Those who vigorously defend property rights on the one hand and decry indian policy on the other are contradicting themselves or applying our sense of freedom inconsistently. 2. As a climbing community we make ourselves look like a bunch of assholes if we stand up and say screw the Indians. That approach certainly won't secure us greater access in the future and only makes us look more insensitive, which will provide those looking to close the areas with more ammo. If we want access, then we had better find some common ground with the other stakeholders, because we will lose the political influence war if we're battling tribes, ORV folks, environmentalists or just about any other organized interest. - Chris

We're talking some fuckin' muscle.

Poster: Greg_W Subject: Re: Curious George is at it again! Not true Winter. Proper thinning and underburning (as needed) helps reduce the risk of fire; that's what my fire expert friends tell me. Greg W. Certain types of underburning can help reduce fire risk. But, the commercial thinning that takes place on federal forests involves the removal of large diameter trees that resist fire. The wrong type of thinning operations leave small diameter trees in an open environment where fires have lots of fuel and lots of air. You and I are debating the difference between commercial thinning (taking out the large trees) and pre-commercial thinning (leaving the big ones and taking out the ladder fuels) in the lingo of the forest service. Don't buy into the hype that all thinning is good, because the experts I take into court on these issues will tell you that's a bunch of bs.

Poster: Greg_W Subject: Re: Curious George is at it again! Logging is not bad, DFA. I understand the point of the article, but some logging needs to be done in order to keep standing fuel loads down. Yeah, supress fires for decades and then cut down the trees to save the forests ... or maybe cut down the forest to save the trees. Aw hell, just pave it all and it won't burn, and then we'll all be making more money. Commerical thinning increases fire risk.

Get room you two so you "work this out."

Yo-yo'ing on Tom, Dick and Harry? Ew.

quote: Originally posted by snoboy: They seem to be here Berthoud Pass CO, yesterday , I wish that was me. This is my local hill: Ughh!!!! Uhhh ... didn't anyone else have a gut reaction to that chute full of fresh now? Christ I want to get some freshies.

Thanks to you two and Plexus for the info. I'm looking forward to getting out this weekend after Turkey Day.

Hey WA folks - I'm headed up to Issaquah to spend TGiving with my sister. I wanna get out with my girlfried and check out either Ingalls or the Toof on Fri. or Sat. Any recent beta on snowpack etc? Saw the post from earlier this week but was wondering whether anyone's been up there since or into Ingalls. Here's to TGiving, my favorite holiday of the year:

Great TR Steve. Sounds like you made a wise choice and will be back when it is in better shape. Shred - How was Leuthold's? I was staring at it yesterday wondering if it was in shape.

I thought whippits were hippie crack.

Shit its about time. Quicker next time! Nice job ... wish I was out climbing last weekend.

So where's the TR MtHigh?

quote: Originally posted by Off White: urp. Oh shit, that looks like me after the pub club last night.

Don't you remember the guy in polka dotted spandex, carrying a boom box, a case of red bull and wearing his harness with a dozen draws? That was DFA. He ordered a zima. Man, Wes you must've been completely wrecked to have forgotten that scene.

quote: Originally posted by Dr Flash Amazing: "sounds like you dudes represented. Sorry I missed out but things ran late for me." Yeah, no shit, you puss. Dr. Flash Amazing had a fine time shit-talking you for not showing up. "Things ran late for me." Yeah, right, you spineless snaffle sniffer. Didn't have the sack to show up and hang with the boys, oh no. Yeah, well, see you around, milktoast! Question: Is DFA spouting his typical bullshit or did he show after I left?

quote: Originally posted by shredmaximus: Yeah and firing up the fatty in the middle of the R. and R. didn't help matters. Did we really do that??? I'm feeling better already.

Fantasize indeed. Right now I'm fantasizing about not being hungover. I'll pm you on the trip. Who knows ... it may even happen. I got a headache to sleep off.