AlpineK

quote: Originally posted by Dru: or inside Muir Hut Take it from an expert, The Muir hut is the place to smoke it up!

I don't know Country, but I suspect you would have to drop a lot of bombs to equal American SUVs. If the world were flat then don't you think that climbers would be setting up routes on the edge; and if that were the case then I bet this cliff study wouldf be a lot more important. I think someone needs to take Doug climbing at Index or Squamish. I know where there were a bunch of routes that have been reclaimed by nature.

quote: Originally posted by Dru: You should hire tree surgeon AlpineK to cut down all your trees. Then climbers could climb everywhere and climate scientists would have a large sample size to prove global warming happens. I like to think I promote tree preservation, but I have no problem killing trees as long as someone pays me.

kleink I don't know where you find all these scientists that dissagree. To the best of my understanding "Global warming' is real; it is most likely affected by humans; only the degree to which we are affecting the change is the area of hot debate. Even if we don't have a massive impact on global temps there are a number of other reasons to quit using oil as a fuel source. Polution, The fact it's a finite resource, the number of wars we need to fight in the middle east to keep the supply rolling. Anyhow this has become thread creep, but I put the oil debate a lot higher on the list of things to worry about than cliff plants and animals.

Scott you better make that mask your 11th essential; cause you never know when your going to run into a bunch of pot heads in the mountains.

I have a hard time keeping up with the science, but I do know that when I was a kid in the 70's there was always a lot more snow and at lower elevations. Also my dad, who grew up here in the 30's notes the same thing. He has pictures of Rainier that really make this point. While there is no 100% link between humans and global warming, if we wait till there is it may be so far advanced that doing something about it will be impossible. I think Fairweather may be right to some degree in criticizing the Keoto(SP) agreement. Capping consumption may be way to hard on the economy and ineffective in real reduction. I'm more in favor of governmet spending on alternative sources of energy. Unfortunately I think Bush is in bed with the big oil industry (why else would he try and keep info on the energy policy from public review), so it's just going to be business as usual.

quote: Originally posted by CleeshterFeeshter: Methane is the really nasty greenhouse gas- lots worse than CO or CO2. If we just put buttplugs in all the cattle and cc.com sprayers; the world would be a much cooler and happier place. You first Cheeshter.

quote: Originally posted by Fairweather: ...This thread is in BIG danger of taking on a new direction that I'm not sure is within the realm of a "climbing" issue. If you climb or ski on glaciers then global warming is WELL within an issue related to climbing.

All I'm saying is gloabal warming seems like a much larger issue than this cliff shit, to which there is only one study.

posted 04-10-2002 01:35 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------------------While you may be right in your study Doug, what you are going to achieve by pushing this line of thinking is alienating a constituency that is more likely to be pro eco than the rest of the population.I suggest that you guys rethink your priorities. As far as I'm concerned global warming is head and shoulders above cliff habitat when it comes to problems we need to deal with. What we need is for people to work together on the really big problem before we start fighting over little things. In short your helping George W and his buddies divide and conquer. All I can say is I'm going to be pissed if I can't ski. I'll probably turn to crime, and the first house I'm going to rob will be Fairweathers. I didn't get a rise out of Doug or Fairweather on the other thread, so I thought I post it here too.

Scot'teryx is a lacky to the MAN.

I feel a lack of commitment from eastsiders. I mean we try and come visit you guys and only a couple of you 425ers show up. Shit those 253ers had you outnumbered. If you want us to visit you gotta represent.

While you may be right in your study Doug, what you are going to achieve by pushing this line of thinking is alienating a constituency that is more likely to be pro eco than the rest of the population. I suggest that you guys rethink your priorities. As far as I'm concerned global warming is head and shoulders above cliff habitat when it comes to problems we need to deal with. What we need is for people to work together on the really big problem before we start fighting over little things. In short your helping George W and his buddies divide and conquer. All I can say is I'm going to be pissed if I can't ski. I'll probably turn to crime, and the first house I'm going to rob will be Fairweathers.

quote: Originally posted by crazyjz: For a Guide/Writer/Grad Student you aren't very smart. How did this end up in Gear Review, and why aren't you capable of basic research like this. Your a "Guide" for Gods sake! Me and CJZ went into the Cirque long before the internet. We just looked up shit in the AAJ. I guess todays internet climbers are lazy and dumb.

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quote: Originally posted by Dan Larson: I like to think that I had a small part in all of this And you do Dan. Why if you didn't suck so much where would Muir on Saturday be.

Soon everything will be EXtreem...

Crazyjz and I might know something about Otis's van and burning. hehe

Dude the whole thing got going when me and 007 and our other buddy sparked up at muir.

When I clicked far enough I found that Scot'teryx is a Rope "Bitch" lead.

Dude I've got one of those Avalanche trucks. You know I've always wanted a truck that is just like a kids toy.

I buy products based on cool graphics in ads and/or cool web sites.

Sorry no guessing.

I am the walrus.

Your in the right neighborhood Dru