AlpineK

Well maybe not beer made in OR

I boycot all products from Oregon.

Shuddup, faggit! fuck you rump ranger.

You couldn't be more right, however the reality of the situation is that hetro males hate being called gay; therefore, when you're spraying, calling someone gay is a easy way to piss them off.

Peter Puget is queer as a 3 dollar bill.

I think he knows females well enough to not bring an inevitable bad situation on himself.

You mean, pain in the

That's the kind of thing the people really want.

I object to Beck using the, "Snoboy," avatar. The real Snoboy is cool, but Beck is a minor league tweaker.

With out a doubt the earth will survive anything we do to it. The real question is will we survive.

High School: Totems College: Joe Vandal

By historic rights the land we're sitting on is Indian land, so in our case we're the same as the Palestinians. Yet where would we go if a powerfull group of Native Americans got together and started kicking us off land even though we have legal title to it.

Cluck, where did any of us say we were panicked and packing supplies. huh? What I think a bunch of folks want is more concern and less stalling by doing endless studies on the problem. Voting GW and his old school oil lobby out of office would be a big step in the right direction.

Sorry, Alpine K....you don't know your history. Jews have been living there for 3000 years. Jerusalem was their capital from about 1000 B.C. until 70 A.D. when the Romans wrecked the city. For centuries, the territory named "Palestine" (derived from the name of some of its other early inhabitants, the Philistines), was ruled by the Ottoman Turks. Jews, Muslims and Christians all lived there though under Islamic rule. Many Jews began to immigrate to the area in the late 1800's while still under Turkish rule which ended in WW1 when it became a British Mandate territory. (The Turks were German allies). The British gave the green light for large-scale Jewish immigration and a great many came in the 1920's and '30's well before the Holocaust. Lots of farms and communes were set up and a lot of desert and swamp lands were reclaimed. And, a lot of property was sold to them by Arab inhabitants as well. The British were actually double-dealing and making contrary promises to both the Arabs and the Jews. The Arabs complained that there were too many immigrants and the Jews (a good many of them European) and the Arabs didn't always get along (cultural, religious issues, land disputes, etc.). The disputes grew and the British were in the middle. More Jews came to the area escaping the Holocaust and as refugees after WWII. After WWII with the creation of the UN, an attempt was made to solve the problem by dividing the Palestine region into two states: an Arab State and a Jewish State. The partition was approved in 1947 (although it didn't get the Arab votes) and in 1948, the state of Israel was declared. A war immediately broke out and Israel was successful in defending itself and ended up with a bit more land at the edges and a lot of Arabs ran away (some of them claim they were run off). The angry "Palestinians" of today live in refugee camps in what would have been the Arab state. Others live in the same land: territories occupied after wars in 1967 and 1973 (West Bank, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights). Israel also conquered the Egypt's Sinai Peninsua but returned it after its peace treaty with Egypt (a treaty that cost the brave Sadat his life at the hand of militant assassins.). As difficult as it may seem, I think the Arab-Israeli conflict can be resolved. There will likely always be a certain amount of violence on both sides as there are extremists on both sides that will settle for nothing less than the annihilation of the other. Hey! 20 years ago who could imagine that the Soviet Union would dissolve, Germany would be reunited, and that crappy regine in South Africa would be turned around???? It could happen! I know history well enough. Yeah there's all the biblical stuff; in which 3 major religions have a huge stake in a few square miles. But so what. The reality is that palestinains have been pushed off their land, there farms have been wrecked, etc. They have every right to be upset. I agree that they don't have the right to terrorize Israeli folks. Israel isn't going anywhere, but they do need to back off. Like I said earlier fuck the whole lot of em

Fairweather go wash your mouth out with soap. If you want to stay in good standing with the Republican party you should never be critical of big business.

I have a hard time seeing Isreal as the agreived party After all the country was full of Palestinians till after WW2 when Jewish people started immigrating in droves and kicking the Palestinians off their land.

I'm going to Canada next week. The prices you've mentioned are still low there.

Judging by the increase in hikers in the SB I'm not sure how much worse a lift would make it. They've got a few years of court fighting ahead of them, and if the planet is really getting hotter they probably wont have the money to pay for new lifts. In any case I think a better use of their money would be to build up a fancy base area with fancy shops selling useless NW trinkets and turning the summit house into a swank place for dining and weddings. You don't make money off skiing like you make money off shopping.

CJZ got his last week, so did my dad. I'm proud to be a climbing footnote now.

I think it would be really cool if you two started fighting about the Parrot.

I read the story about the guy on Rainier too. I've also read a thousand stories about global warming and what the National Academy of Science has to say about it. In the short term the only real effect is that the Alps are turning into ugly choss and you better call ahead if you're going on a ski trip to Europe to make sure all the telepherique towers are still standing.

But in this case the subject matter is boring, and the two protagonists are lame ass sprayers.