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That is yet to be seen Matt. Kosovo was a victory, but for whom? The politics were dubious; still are. My question is this. How can you stand behind Clinton while berating Russia when these are litterally idenical circumstances?

Its against the rules of the games and it isn't exactly great to be vaulting through the air when your epiphyseal plates haven't fused. The older athletes have enough major injuries. For a younger athlete, this could cripple them for a lifetime.

I agree, but Georgia gave them an excuse and they (Putin) ran with it. You want to talk realpolitik zim zam? Definition. It is clear that you cannot give Putin and inch politically. He will take a kilometer for every one you give him. I would like to see some military presence in Georgia from the west. Nothing offensive, but a large peacekeeping force of marines and rangers that are ordered to put-down any hostilities witnessed. This would be the ideal solution (at least temporarily). Since Russia doesn't want to honor their obligations under a cease fire, we can help them do that.

What exactly went out behind the scenes to make Russia pull out so quickly? I think the US threatened to immediately admit Ukraine into NATO. They haven't pulled out. They just said they did. There are still tanks in Georgia and planes doing bombing runs as of this morning.

Hind-sight is 20/20. Russia made a huge gamble doing what they did. They were opportunistic and gambled and won. Save Russia interveening, there is no reason why Georgia couldn't have retaken Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Now, given the fact that the West is tied up in other conflicts, the timing seemed rather shitty for Georgia. They have had this dispute for what? 17 years? Why, now, would they do such a thing? Perhaps Russia should finance the reconstruction. Seems like if they really wanted to just save the ethnic Russians, they would love to rebuild and give the areas' leadership somehting to work with.

Uh, hello, Clinton cut military funding big-time, during his time in office. While he had troops comitted to foreign conflicts.

Huh. I see what you did there. Its dat a preeoree reasoning thingy

...also, if you think that Obama would get through 4 years of office without deploying troops, you are out of your fucking mind. Even excluding Afghanistan and Iraq.

...and where was the guy in oklahoma from? How many people helped him? Also, a terrorist attack that failed is little cause of concern. An orchestrated attack involving flying 747's simultaneously into different targets does warrant some fear in regards to sophistication of the enemy. Perhaps some fear and caution would have better served us after the first attack. Our attitudes were apathetic as we had already "crushed the giant red foe," and had nothing left to fear. We were forced to succumb to our own vulnerability and there was a large amount of catching up to do as a result.

or: "Realpolitik (German: real ("realistic", "practical" or "actual") and politik ("politics")) refers to politics or diplomacy based primarily on practical considerations, rather than ideological notions. The term realpolitik is often used pejoratively to imply politics that are coercive, amoral, or Machiavellian. Realpolitik is a depiction of foreign policy that should be based on considerations of power, not ideals, morals, or principles. Henry Kissinger believed that this should be how the U.S. conducts foreign policy."

At least he didn't piss off pretty much the entire rest of the world and undermine our credibility and then trash our military preparedness when faced with an opportunity to strengthened our position as world leaders. Your ongoing blind hatred of Clinton, who by the way has been out of office for almost 8 years, is nutty. So wait. You think we should intervene in Georgia? Do you think that Bill's war was justified. IMO these are mutually exclusive statements. Putin might as well be Tony Blair right now. He is pretty much doing the exact same thing as in Kosovo. He is also breaking some major rules of engagement and the Geneva convention, but hey, the principals of this invasion are mirror images to those of Kosovo.

No fucking shit.

Of course your agent would say that.

Did someone fly planes into the twin towers and the pentagon previous to 8 years ago? The world has changed. That our way of life is relatively unchanged is quite remarkable as I see it.

Sorry I'm getting to you FW. My point is that here are several "use the military anytime we want" chickenhawks that never served. Our current administration which is one of the worst. Sure Obama didn't serve. But he doesn't turn to the military everytime things don't go his way. Clinton too was true to his beliefs and was not a promoter of indiscrimenate use of our forces. You might want to rethink that statement. Just because it didn't involve huge ground forces or was broadcast on CNN, doesn't mean we didn't use military action during his term. He also led the charge for a fairly controversial war pretty damn near where fighting is going on as I type and the circumstances were eerily similar.

...and given the wording in this piece, I am sure it is free of bias as well.

You know little of Eastern European mindsets and politics. They envision is as their land (which indeed it is). With hostile forces invading their land under the guise of "peacekeepers" they had no other recourse in their minds. Of course, the timing is peculiar at best. Georgia was also enabled by the West who it thought would come running to their aid. The only aid they have received is empty words.

Looking more like Bang

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Went to the bar, drank one and am back where I can get drunk in relative safety.

Where is Ray Bon-bon when we need him? Cavey? Is that you?

Did you read? I gots an import from Washington from the old man in the mail today!

5 O'clock right here! Where you is SOBO? Gotta scuttlebut delivered to North Cackilacky and am currently sipping; gulping and chugging to soon follow.

exactly

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