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Sorry it took so long, this repartee was crafted by a libertereo/conservative lefty so I dont know if it will be p to standard. When crafting this repartee it in involved the use of cardboard, salsa, epoxy, some extra bodily fluids I had built up and lots of duct tape. I now need to figure out how to upload a picture of it.

Damn, I dont feel so bad knowing others hover over the keyboard ,too. Da ya go wit dem beg woods abem. Please describe the fuction of this Toquemada. Learn me boss. And yes, yes the answer is fart, but of rare and robust blend.

""Neocon" = "Jew" = "Zionist" in JosephH's world. Hence, his constant drubbing about conspiracies. Read some of his past rants. " HERR FAIRWEATHER I see a talking point developing here, your homeboy KKK just destroyed me by calling me a blasphemer, Let us bow our heads.

Oh no, Just point me in the direction of the nearest rack. Thats after I get the letter sown on my jacket first. Ah, the Crusades, your finger must get tired with all the pointing? FYI I was attempting to add a little humor to our lovefest. Beat dogs that are backed into a corner have difficulty with humor though. Just testing a theory. I say "Good air is bad", you say....

I'm certainly not "in it" for you fuckheads who have attacked this country, it's principles, it's leaders and policies for the last 6 years. I'm in it for myself? K-MAN! K-MAN! Last night Jesus came to me in a vision and said "Hey dude, your a commie pinko rat bastard." I told him a Tauntaun named Britney said she was certified to to swallow, and I said my milk was certified to be swallowed. Jesus said, "What?" And then it all became clear!! I am to follow the K-Man, Flipper(AKA GloveFish) and Spocks really tall evil twin named Bob. Dont tell Jesus, but Bob and GloveFish have a lucrative website called stinkyfist.com, Britney is the webmaster and does most of the filming, ssshhhhhh. Anyway, hows it going? Is there any way me and you and Britney and Bob and Flipper(AKA GloveFish) can start a club to battle all those evil commie pinko rat bastards(E.C.P.R.B.) that disagree with us?? I am off to mold tin foil hats for all non-believers!!! (Disclaimer: Ideas were stolen by Jesus and then given to me)

That's right buddy. After years of hearing the libs crucify Bush over Iraq, Afghanistan, the Patriot act, and every thing else he's done w/r/t fighting terrorism, when challenged why *I personally* am not volunteering to serve in the military, THAT is my answer. As for "comrade", make up your mind - "fascist" and "comrade" are two very different things. But both elicit a well-earned FOAD from me. :fahk: Lets say that Democratic president is in office being "crucified"(praise Jesus!!!) for his foriegn/domestic policies. And lets say Chinas energy needs become such that they decide to bum rush through Pakistan and Afganistan to secure the mid east oil reserves and OUR troops are getting slaughtered over there. I am suppose to base my loyalty to the country as a whole on whether or not Republicans agree with a Democratic president? Man you would be EASY to manipulate. All I would need to do is tell you that I disapproved of a policy that I actually supported and you would end up supporting it. Or how about the good cop- bad cop routine? When you grow up one day and realise that the world surrounding you is only rarely black and white, things will make a lot more sense to you. I am going to need to go study the difference between communism and fascism before I can make up my mind on? Those concepts have always been a little to abstract for me to differentiate beteen the two. I'm too out of the loop to know what FOAD and :fahk:, but I'm sure its something that has deep meaning to you. .....hovering...hovering

How about quoting people? Is that the key to respect? "Personally, I'd rather see you all get fucked over by terrorists and rot in the aftermath, then lift a finger on your behalf. Must I repeat again?" Comrade Kaskadsky 2007

Ya the wonders of free time. At least until the powder piles up anyway. If I could only edit my post count so my posts would be deemed more meaningful. You should be proud my friend I've lurked here for a while and for some unknown reason you of all people got me to contribute. The power of words are amazing. Do those boots have steel toes?......... back to hovering over the keyboard

"You can call back individuals with certain skills from IRR (Inactive Reserve), but once a guy retires out, then they don't owe any further obligation. I state once again that the majority of the high end contractors are retirees and in my mind are being paid fairly for the type of consulting work they are being asked to do, in the conditions they do it in, with the level of risk they face. These guys aren't your everyday Joe off the block looking for some GI Bill money, or some cheap thrill. Some of these guys are like the Olympians of warfare" "There are tremendous advantages to being a soldier that contractors do not enjoy, in particular the mission sets. You're not going to see contractors actioning intelligence and conducting raid packages." "Contractors are going to be standing around with an aimpoint glued to their foreheads waiting to take a bullet for some guy. Now if you paid them the same pay, which would you rather do? I'd rather be kicking a$$ and taking names." Thats why I say up the pay scale in the armed services across the board and use a risk graded pay scale. Then institute the draft.(Trust me in my feild, regardless of my age, I'll probably be near the top of the list)-unless they disqualify me for my grammar and spelling skills. The draft will serve multiple purposes, not the least of which is to inject a serious does of reality to large percentage of the population whos main concern is where to get their next latte or how many Bud Light cans they can throw out the window as their driving "Look at how much we pay pro sports players and what exactly do they contribute overall versus how much they get paid?" This would be a great topic for another 13 page thread, huh. "statistically MORE likely to be killed or injured in contracting work" I dont know? But we all know the magic that can be worked with statitics though. It wouldnt suprise me if that were true. If they were within the DOD,would they be any more are less likely to be killed or injured. Statitics are a tough one. "It appears that Blackwater's highly paid private security contractors are still more of a bargain to the taxpayer than government diplomatic security agents. A House Committee on Oversight and Government Affairs report says that Blackwater bills the government $1,222 per security contractor per day in Iraq. That comes out to $446,030 per Blackwater guard per year. By contrast, a single State Department Bureau of Diplomatic Security agent in Iraq costs the taxpayer "nearly $500,000 a year," according to the Los Angeles Times. The Times cites Assistant Secretary of State for Diplomatic Security Richard Griffin as the source." Citing excutive branch officials..... "cites Assistant Secretary of State for Diplomatic Security Richard Griffin as the source."....hmmm..... Among the loooong list of things of the things the Cheney/Bush neocon crew has either intentionally or unintentionally demolished in our country is executive branch credibility. You have to admit that even life long conservatives have difficulty believing what the executive branch puts out anymore. The credibility thing is no small matter either. Lets say they have intel that Pakistan or the Ukraine is rapidly destabizing, we would need to quickly gather support internationally to intevene. The international and US public response will be....uhhh, yea right President Bush, anything you say, we trust you to not bait and switch us with cherry picked and falsified intel..... The damage to our credibility is severe and will take probably decades to regain many nations trust. And yes, in the world we live in strongly depends on working with allies. The chain of events from Iraq are set in motion. Pull out a map, look at the countries surrrounding Iraq/Iran, look at each country geographically, resourse issues, their geopolitical goals, their present and potential future allies etc... I hope I'm wrong but this is just the beginning of something that is only going to get more complex and ugly as time moves forward. We need ALLIES that can TRUST us. By the way isnt Negroponte the Assistant Secratary of State now. Thats like letting a pyromaniac run a gas station. Check out his history, youll be proud that he is one of the faces representing our country. Man, I always start to fucking ramble on and on .... You want to see things really start boil over in this country.? Supress their speech. Now STFUYMF

I'm full and still have half this can of Alpo left. I'll trade you for a season pass at Whistler.

"Normal" behavior for a fascist such as yourself I assume involves underage sheep?

I in no way question the sacrifice these guys have made. These guys are doing things we will never know about that I'm am sure have tilted senarios in directions that prevented some serious shit from happening. I didn't think age made a difference anymore when it came to being called back into the service . I thought that had called back specialists in certain fields(ie medical, translation, M.P.'s etc.) that had been out of the service for longer than even decade? If there are bureacratic issues that are driving away the most trained,intelligent and capable individuals from one of the most valuable military assets we have, we are in trouble. The pay thing is easy. Pay the troops more money. Its a slap in the face to the ground troops over there when tehy are taking the same risks from getting blown up from an IED or getting picked off by a sniper but get paided 1/5 the salary. Can you imagine what that does to their morale? And do you think the military is going to be able to recruit anybody in the future? The problems this country faces aren't going away(which I'm sure you would agree with). We need to think long term and not just let the best of the best be controlled by corporations thats main motivator is $$$$ and not our strategic interest. What happens if/when these companies either go off shore or are bought out by a multinational from lets say Dubai? Does it become more of a problem then. I dont question the motives of the ground level forces working for these firms. But I know in a free market economy a company and its management makes decions based on profit(corporations are mandated to maximize profit) and not necessarily whats best for the country

"Industry critics and sensationalist media too often ignore industry information and then get quoted in Congressional press releases - a recipe for bad policy." The problem with indusrty information is that it is often press releases. Would you ever release company information voluntarily that is going to damage its reputation?(Latest example is the current subprime credit crisis going on in the financial markets... one day a company says "We are in a strong position for the next quarter" and a week later they are filling for bankruptcy... yea you can really trust "indudstry information" Damaged reputation equals damaged profits. So you end up with jaded policy makers basing descions on overly optimistic information given to them. Of course they are going to question what part of the info is true and what is false. One of their jobs is oversight. "overwhelming number of contractors in Iraq are Iraqis" And I'm sure they are needed for the task. What you fail to mention is that we will give a open ended contract out to "Company A" (who skims a "pofit") then subcontracts "Company B" thats an addtional 20% on to the cost (and then skims a "profit") and the subcontracts to "Company C" who then adds 20% on to the cost ...etc. Why not have the DOD directly hand out the contracts to the Iraqis. You avoid the multiplier effect caused by this layering of subcontracts, one of the primary things the DOD does is logistics and the boots on the ground are going to know where those contracts most need to be utilized. "Nothing is helped by turning contractor utilization into a partisan issue" Yea, we need more division in this country, huh? Its a simple fix. Absorb the security companies into the DOD, or if thats too extreme, rescind the contracts and and use the "backdoor draft" to bring all the the ex-SF troops back into the services. If there were efficiencies found in the management style of these companies they could be utilized by the DOD. Hell, start a cross-services specialty group within the DOD that focuses on high risk security tasks. The partisan issues are derived from the fact that you have major campaiagn donors/former partisan officials miraculously receiving these no bid contracts. Or how about disqualifing any company with former partisan officials or campaign contributors from the contracts? "we should focus on doing those improvements rather than trying to 'throw the baby out with the bathwater.'" You got it. After you bring these security services back into the DOD, utilize what management/logistical/tactical techniques were found to be most efficient in theater. As you know, the guys on the gound know what works and what doesn't. "Our 40+ member companies firmly believe that good oversight and accountability are good for good companies" Yea thats what Enron said, thats what the mortgage brokerage and hedge fund industry is saying now, thats what the food industry says after each E.Coli cotamination recall. Companies make money, that is their job. If not, why not just pay managment and the employees on the same pay scale as the military. We are just adding unnessary layers of cost and management when we have a DOD that can do the job. Werent most of the ground level employees of these security firms not initiallly trained by the DOD with taxpayer dollars? Are you saying that the training and utiliztion of our forces is inefficeint? After these contractors are brought back into the DOD, utilize their knowledge to help stream line the military then. I believe the former special forces guys need to be utilized. I understand we are in a precarious point in our history. I understand the terroist threat isnt going to miraculously disappaer when we leave Iraq. And I also understand there are many near/medium/and long term issues that are staring us right in the face. We need the best of the best in OUR military. We dont need a for profit entity making security decsions based on next quarter earnings.

There are solutions, the problem is ALL of them lead down paths to further problems as big or bigger than the one we are in are in now. I am not making arguements to defend the fiasco that the neocon's have left in there wake. -Under the cover over war,while we have been focused on terrorism, and the war in Iraq and Afganistan, the Constitution has been SEVERELY eroded and regulatory laws built up since the Great Depression (that had been designed to protect the GOOD of the PEOPLE) have been wiped off the books. We all know where the balance of power has shifted . Solutions? Partition Iraq ASAP, get the fuck out, shift a large force to Afganistan and try and help them REBUILD while keeping close to the region so as to deal with the next move in the giant chess match. That move in the chess match will come too(probably China and/or Russia via Iran). Dramatically ramp up ENERGY CONSERVATION efforts and build up our strategic oil reserves as large as we feasibly can. Hopefully there are new energy technologies in the wings that will ease the transition from oil to conservation. Who we elect now probably really doesnt matter. The current situation is being dictated by longer term strategic choices that were set in motion when the world switched to a oil based economy during WW1. For domestic isssues though how about Edwards/Obama 08, Edwards/Obama 12, Obama/(maybe some RATIONAL moderate republican) 16. Hopefully by 2016 this country will be ready for a split ticket. Diplomacy ,in the long term, is truely the only answer between nations. We need to demonstrate to the people of developing countries that we can make descions based on the overall good ,not just what is good for us. This includes refusing to support ANY regime that treats the peolpe within its borders like peices of trash. Diplomacy will NOT work when dealing with extremeists. We know what it is like dealing with ANY religious fundementalists. They believe their view is the only correct view. (Ironically the republican party is being torn apart from the inside by that James Dobson religious zealot. The lord works in mysterious ways:) Only the moderates within the islamic world can fix the terrorist problem. They need to flush the scum out into the open and deal with it in a manner that makes it clear that if they want to live in the modern world THEY need to adapt to to some basic civil norms the rest of the world has adopted. Unfortunatley its probably not going to happen and the world will evolve into a bipolar one(ie the muslim world on one side and everyone else on the other) The sad thing is the moderate and non practicing muslims of the world are going end up paying the price for their inaction. The Bush admin and his corporate media lackys(or is it the other way around?) need to stop the propganda campaign of FEAR. Terrorism is about using FEAR to effect a change. Try to prevent the threats IN THE BACKGROUND, and otherwise ignore the peices of shit. Just like an immature troll, KKK for example, the more you feed it(ie terrorism) the more power it has.

New here, lurker for a few years(mainly for the bushwack routes). Excellent discussion when the emotion is filtered out(if thats possible and I doubt that it even should be). War is political/geostrategic/economic tool for either keeping the staus quo, or outflanking "threats"(possible and/or perceived and/or real). The soldiers dont make the policy, they follow orders and protect each other while they are there (that includes all the former special forces guys that work for the private security firms) . These ex SF guys are trained machines that need to be utilized while we are there. At the very least the private contractors need to be brought under military law standards(for the morale of US troops, the "hearts and minds" propoganda campaign directed at moderate muslims around the world, and to attempt to salvage what little respect we have among our allies). Ideally the contracts should be rescinded and contractors be absorbed into the DOD and pay raised across the board for ALL the troops. Privatization of the military (one of the most basic aspects of a soverign country ) is traveling down a dangerous road. The people that have joined AFTER this quagmire started will sadly have to deal with with their own personal demons for the rest of their lives. I truely feel sorry for the troops that were already in the services before this giant chess match started. They had no choice. We are vying with BOTH China and Russia for mid-east oil AND pipeline routes emanating fom central asia AND African oil AND Venezualan oil AND Canadian oil AND....... ie a Global Resource "War" At the same time our generation has inherited the slowly evolving/building hatred of radicalized fundamentalists. The hatred didn't occur spontaneously,first it was the Bitish /Dutch /French /Spanish /Portugese for hundreds of years manipulated the mid east for the spice trade,coaling stations,military basing and general trade routes. Since WW1/WW2 (when the world and its various militaries converted to the oil based economy) the Mid-East became THE prize. Enter the cold war when the US and the Soviets took over the chess match and supported leaders in the Mid-East that assured oil supply(We did NOT base our descions based on what was best for the civilians in these oil producing countries, we based it on national "self-interest" (ie vital oil supplies in a Cold War context). So you combine this anger built on HUNDREDS of years of manipulating the Mid-east region and add it to the CHILDISH reasoning of the islamic fundamentalist extremists(the refusal to adapt to basic global civil norms-do you treat your wives/girlfreinds with such contempt-do you riot and make death threats if somebody publishes a cartoon of Jesus taking a shit, etc,etc,etc... The truly fucked up thing is that using mid-east oil puts money in the pockets of these corrupt regimes we(the US, Russia and now China) helped to create. Then the regimes pay off these radical fundamentalists to keep them off their back. The money stengthens these fundamentalist groups who then add fuel to the fire, help drive up oil prices and make these regimes even more money. We are in deep shit guys. This is a quagmire that will effect us and our families for the rest of our lives. I will be shocked if we dont go after Iran (70% of the know global oil reserves are in the mid-east and Iraq is our new staging base smack dab in the middle of it). If we do go after Iran, the current controlled crumb of the US dollar may turn into a dollar collapse (ie think 1929). If we stay, we keep the oil, we help to recruit once moderate islamic fundamentalists over to the childish piece-o-shit radical fundementalist camp, our soldiers continue dying in the midst of a civil war that we cant stop, and Iraqi civilians that we went into "liberate" are getting picked off in the middle. If we leave quickly, we will see the civil war that is already occurring go from a slow burn to something I dont even want to think about--from a purely strategic view point this would probably act as a magnet for the Sunni extremeists(ie slime ball suicide bombers) that would flood in to fight the Shiites. The Shiites would end up doing the dirty work for us. The slaughter of innocent civilians however will probably reach Rawanda proportions(if it hasnt already).-- And even if the Shiites thinned out a large number of Sunni fundentalist extremists, there are over 1 BILLION muslims in the world. The terrorist threat is never going away(this is the neocons wet dream). We would also be seen as backing away from a fight that we started and that may encourage future attacks. (Showing weakness in the mid-east DOES have consequences). Then you end up with Russia and China by way of Iran controlling 70% of the worlds oil reserves. (Like it or not this is an oil based global economy). So, do we stay and keep the oil, further fan the flames of islamic extremism, keep getting our soldiers killed trying to hold together a country that is going to split up anyway and watch as innocent Iraqis slowly kill each other off. Or, do we leave, give control of the oil to Russia and China via Iran, bring our soldiers home and rebuild our military, probably tone down SOME of hatred directed at us(ie fewer future terrorists), and probably witness a horrible civil war that we helped to create? I wish the fuck I knew. If it was only as simple as that those pieces of shit like Limbaugh and the Fox propaganda machine make it out to be, or as easy as saying "NO WAR!" A TRUE FUCKING QUAGMIRE!!! For anybody on the board who has served in the military, thanks, it takes balls. I hope they just start the draft. Maybe that can be the catalyst to bring this country back together again. What was that phrase????.... Divide and conquer.... the big money power structure is eating this situation up. Oh and KASKADSKYKOZAK, you are a truely pathetic little creature, at first I just thought you were brain washed, but now I wonder if your sucking Putin's cock.