noliquidity

Point taken

I look at any open forum as being a combo of comedy and verbal road rage. Juveniles? I hope I am a "juvenile" until I'm 80yrs old, thats if I make it that long.

Watch out! That special forces guy looking down at you from the banner at the top of the screen may come looking to recruit you.

Putting a human face on the region I beleive is one component that could lead to change. The mass desensitization and outright censorship of the true human cost is truely stunning. I grew up with the belief that what I was being fed by the mainstream media was actually reality. We are living through what is probably the most sophisticated propoganda campaign in history. The frightenening thing is that the current generation of kids have nothing to compare it to. To them it IS reality. All for a black liquid substance. What and how you write makes a positive difference.

Have you ever checked out the TGR Padded Room forum, its like here but with 30,000 peole. People get fucking pillaged in there.

Yea, I'm still trying to figure out where all this success is leading us next. Dude, you writing is easily publishable, and thats not an exaggeration. (I'm still learning how to spell:)

What temperature wax do you think he's using?

I thought it was Rudys' mafia hommies that actually killed the babies and he just ate them??

If you want this biscuit, your gonna have to come up and get it motherfucka!

Dont turn around yet, but that chic standing behind you has an amazing ass!!

Remember the 3 Ds of Opposition chuck Disformation, Deny, Delay + Distract, Divide, Discredit

i think it's the variable most often used. realpolitik and all. i'm not saying it's how i define "success", but it's certainly the metric used by many, including some at this site. as far as what's going on now.... i don't know if current events would deem the long term strategy a failure, quite honestly. yes, oil prices are high, but the US is sitting on the second largest known oil reserves, with contracts in hand (and this "prize" comes at a time when china's ravenous appetite gobbles up oil contracts globally, reducing an already dwindlng supply). No, I'd say even the current situation can be viewed a "success", possibly a resounding one at that. I mean come on, what's a few thousand US soldier deaths when the stakes are this high? what's a few hundred thousand deaths of "the other guy" within this scenario? Not much, evidently. I really hope your being sarcastic

Quoting sexual chocolate, (that just sounds wrong!) "The last hundred years of Mid-East policy has been a resounding success, playing out in a manner supported by BOTH parties (wow, we in this democracy really live in a two party state!). The US and other western nations have continued to maintain access ("access"? is this fair to say? is "control" more accurate?)to hydrocarbons through the machinations (and other market developments, manipulations etc) that we are speaking of in iran. the iranian blowback is certainly a consequence of this meddling, but to rate US foreign policy as a "failure" because of this instance is a bit over-reaching; i would think it would simply be called a statistical "necessity" in the bigger FP game of geopolitics." If access to oil reserves is the variable your using to measure success in our policies then we have been successful. But did you notice what is going on now?

I thought James Dobson was still trying to decide if Jesus would be an acceptable candidate.

I stopped believing in fairy tales in about 1974.

Thats true, but a person who shall remain nameless went and shoved a big fucking stick in the eye of some guy named Chavez. OOPS!!

I find it facinating when a person takes one side in a debate, someone else responds, and then they are criticized for being too one-sided????WTF. How often do you dissect an issue in a wholistic manner? Isn't the point of debate to present both sides and at the end arrive at a more thorough understanding of an issue ? If not, you need to start presenting both "sides".

While we've been preoccupied with Mid East/Asia Minor policy, the Chinese have been quietly been "colonizing" numerous countries. Ya, I believe they just signed a $100 million dollar arms contract with the Iraqi government to arm the Iraqi police force(which is essentially a government sactioned sectarian death squad) And I think it was at the beginning of this year they signed a $20 billion dollar natural gas contract with Iran. Not to mention arming the Venezualans after we backed them into the corner like we did Iran.

Just for context: Iran elected, democratically, a president back in the '50's. The US didn't like this president, because he wanted to nationalize oil assets. So, the US worked in a direct way to foster a military revolution, replacing the legitimate president with a dictator. Needless to say, the dictator didn't become a very popular fellow in Iran, except with the monied classes. Unrest grew, and was squelched with means that compare to Saddam's previous methods. Finally, popular unrest reached proportions uncontrollable by the Shah, culminating in a popular Muslim nationalist overthrow of the government (and the take-over of the US embassy, understandably the target of years of pent-up frustration, since it was the US that kept the Shah in power). Amazingly the Iranians were actually starting to lean to the west(at least the their populace and and some in upper levels of the government preceding Amedinijad/Iraq war. They were even working with us when we went into Afganistan(obviuosly in their interest since it borders them). But instead of continuing to deal with them and establish diplomatic relations to gain stable access to mid-east oil reserves and central asia pipeline routes we labeled them one of the "axis of evil" and pushed them into the corner. Now unless the Iranian populace overthrows their government we are either going to be involved in a large regional war or be cutoff from mideast oil.

I dont know? I think somebody on page 1 was trying to get it moved to page 2.

Dont assume that the Democrats are not actually working with the Bush administration on this one . This is about one move in a longer term strategy. It may be a bargaining chip to get the Turks to back off the Kurds. It may be with the intent to start a low level civil war in the N.Iraq and N. Iran region(many Kurds in N. Iran). It would be a way to tie up Iranian resources in the north of their country while we go at them from the west, south and east. It may be a round about way to prod the moderates in Iran to over throw their theocracy. The timing is too absurd to be a coincidence, as is Bushs timing to recognize the Dali Llama. When you play chess, the move you are making now is almost always based on what advantage it will give you 3 or 5 or 10 moves down the road. Look at the end goal and work backwards.

Dont assume that the Democrats are not actually working with the Bush administration on this one . This is about one move in a longer term strategy. It may be a bargaining chip to get the Turks to back off the Kurds. It may be with the intent to start a low level civil war in the N.Iraq and N. Iran region(many Kurds in N. Iran). It would be a way to tie up Iranian resources in the north of their country while we go at them from the west, south and east. It may be a round about way to prod the moderates in Iran to over throw their theocracy. The timing is too absurd to be a coincidence, as is Bushs timing to recognize the Dali Llama. When you play chess, the move you are making now is almost always based on what advantage it will give you 3 or 5 or 10 moves down the road. Look at the end goal and work backwards.

I type too slow

Ya, I like how the message says "Its not what you think". Thats encouraging.