el jefe

listen to JosephH, he's an expert on passive-aggressive pro.

actually, the route tyson et al are climbing in these photos is "not sheer strength" (aka "la bamba roof"). "attractive nuisance" is the line to the left with the red quickdraw hanging on it.

this post is so ungrammatical i can't figure out what you are trying to say, ivan.

nice work you guys. way to take advantage of the good weather!

the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, and that saying holds true for both mom and dad as both are very good climbers, too!

if right now is when the crag needs to be closed for golden eagles, then why not have a public forum and make the case? if your argument is sound and you have the facts to back it up, then why make the decision behind closed doors? you may very well be right about the necessity and timing of the closure, Alasdair, but sneaky way this deal went down undermines the credibility of the BLM and the people who work there.

I'm requesting that the seasonal onset of Bitching About Beacon not occur this year, or I'll be making some deletions. Its not a positive or acceptable use of this forum. strange, i seem to recall the forum was created more or less specifically to contain the bitching and keep it out of all the other honest, god-fearing forums i think the point is that even when contained in this forum, the seasonal beacon bitchfest is excessive. 6 months of climbing followed by 6 months of bitching -- not as "balanced" as it sounds.

thanks for the link. good to see info based on actual testing of equipment.

those bolts look like real museum pieces. they were up there a long time, i'll bet. glad it turned out okay.

nice work, colin.

don't bother with pull ups. just get out to hyalite. you live in bozeman so whatever washingtonians do to stay in shape for their short and fleeting ice season is irrelevant in your situation. besides, knees-to-elbows and toes-to-bar are more relevant climbing exercises than pull ups.

awesome photos. good luck with school.

so chicks are more attracted to tradsters than bolt clippers? interesting argument from the planet known as Buckaroo. some people climb because it is fun, others because they think it makes the opposite sex perceive them as superior breeding stock (i.e., "a stud"). if i've understood you, your argument is that the bolt on city park pitch 2 needs to be removed in order to ensure that human evolution doesn't stagnate -- is that about right?

Sieg Heil!

here we have an example of an advanced case of Raindawg-Pope's disease. DougT's friends need to intervene soon or he's going to start sounding like this guy.

DougT is showing early signs of Raindawg-Pope's disease. if untreated, this disease is can lead to tiresome perseveration and an uncontrollable desire to bombard climbing threads with pictures of carebears, crowbars, and images of yakov smirnof. usually this illness presents as an offer to have a "discussion" in a "100% friendly and open minded way" when in reality no such "discussion" is forthcoming, but rather a ceaseless harangue regarding how the real truth can be found in certain obscure and dated climbing articles from the 1973 chouniard catalogue, etc.

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nice work!

maybe not smart to leave the keys in the porsche overnight, dane, but the guy who drives off with the car can be charged with auto theft, which is a pretty serious felony offense. the perspective of raindawg and his ilk is that taking the draws left on a route is not stealing but rather some sort of example of being environmentally more aware or something. taking something that you know doesn't belong to you is stealing. regardless of why the draws are hanging on the route or how you feel about it, taking something that belongs to someone else means you are a thief. same as if i drive away in your porsche.

I disagree with this. And as much as I disagree with Raindawg he is almost always kind and even keeled. I challenge anyone to find where he has attacked you by calling you names. This site absolutely needs folks like Raindawg. You always need the other side to be presented. IMO. I have had my draws taken from a climb I left them on. The only person to blame was myself for leaving them there. I would never post on this or any site requesting them back. It is no different than knowingly leaving them on the ground at the base of the climb then coming back a week later, then being pissed that someone took them. I have no problem with draws left hanging, just dont be pissed when someone else cleans them and takes them. The reality is you left them. there you have it: raindawg gets the kevbone seal of approval. high praise indeed!

raindawg thread hijack no. 1,007,134: guy just wants his draws back turns into blah, blah, blah, decay of morality, end of the natural world, blah, blah, blah.

Not done. nice action photo of the raindawg!

this thread was imbecilic to begin with, jlag, so there isn't much i could have done to retard its development. basically all i've done here is point at the ridiculously misleading title you gave it and laugh. i'm also laughing at you for being in such a snit about there being a sport climb 8-15ft distant from a trad climb at an area famous throughout the solar system for sport climbing. if someone had put up a p.o.s. trad route 8-15ft away would you consider that a "squeeze job" as well?

amen.