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I think I see my draws hanging there... Don't mess with my proj, please.

Did you catch his name?

Thanks Rain. You know I am not attacking you personally. I happen to like the fact that you have such a strong opinion, even if I dissagree with it. I just love collecting Care Bears from the Dawg... They make my sport climbing so soft, cuddly & safe. (Not that I even sport climb much. I think I remember going sport climbing once in the past year and a half and that was only cause the complete North Ridge of Stuart was wet & snowy. If'n I'd had a Care Bear, we may have been able to pull it off, instead we took the dummdeded down option of clipping bolts for the day.)

Thanks Rain. You know I am not attacking you personally. I happen to like the fact that you have such a strong opinion, even if I dissagree with it. I just love collecting Care Bears from the Dawg... They make my sport climbing so soft, cuddly & safe.

Seriously, an average climber should be capable of climbing the Nose! Again, we are probably to late to save the nose... I read in Rock & Bolts latest issue that Obamwa has already broken ground on the progressive cabled system to keep all the illegal aliens from sneaking into the valley to commit terrrisstic activities. STOP THE MADNESS, STOP!!!

What an utterly shallow and naive response; more insult than substance as usual. So care to address how sport-bolting jives with a leave-little/no-trace ethic subscribed by most every other outdoor sport? Feel free not to answer until you've thought about it seriously for a while. Dude, DAWG, let's face it, if you are out and about in the woods you WILL have an impact. Leave no trace, great catch word, but you do leave a trace everywhere you go in life. YOU have (along with all of us) negative impact on more than just the environment. It's just so much fun to see where some people draw the line in order to inflate their own egos. Please tell me, aside from eschewing bolts/sport climbing, how are you removing your "trace" in life? Not just on your favorite, old school route that nobody could get up today if'n it were not fer the newly installed Via Ferrata, but in your day to day impact of just pursuing such a selfish sport/endeavor in the first place? BTW, the whole "little" thing that "jives" with sport climbing is the IN MOST CASES bolts are "little", very little. That, for the most part, are only seen/used by climbers. Yes, let's try to leave as little impact as possible. But let's NOT, damn the whole idea of using bolts to climb as an excuse to make our own perception of what "climbing" should be universally. Lighten up dude.

THEY WARNED US, WE KNEW BETTER, AND NOW WE HAVE TO UNDUE THE HORRIFIC WAKE OF DESTRUCTION LEFT BEHIND. I heard from a guy (who's uber sic strong, bro-brah hard-gnarl dude), who is best friends with Sharmwa's X girlfriend's spotter, that the government bail out money was going to create jobs and solve the heath care crisis by installing VIA FERRATAS.

RUN FOR YOUR LIFES, VIA FERRATAS HAVE TAKEN OVER!!!

How come nobody mentioned this at the last BRCA meeting? I won't stand for it, I tell ya! Bacon Verrata

Yeah, there has been a via ferrata epidemic since those punks started rap bolting. I heard from a guy, that knows someone over at super tacos, and he said the park service was going to put in one on Beacon Rock that will help fund the falcon rescues . Enough is enough. STOP THE MADDNESS! ! Together, we can end the desecration. I've been trying to compile my list of via ferrata's that we need to destroy, but am currently overwhelmed by the daunting task of where to start.

BTW, how has the Via Ferrarta ruined our lifes? I still have yet to run into a genuine one. Sure looks like there is plenty of rock left without them. Seems to me, in a hundred years from now, your great grandson's protege, will dig up the remains covered in the big blast of aught-twelve. This archeological discovery may prove to be as important as finding the lost ark.

I've noticed you gone off and gotten all growed up since ya got hitched a while back... Yer spray is so tame and calm. Pink not stirring pot, WTF?

So, back to an earlier question: would you care to discuss how unrestrained sport-bolting jives with a leave-little/no-trace ethic subscribed by most every other outdoor sport? - "Raindawg" Just for the record, I don't support grid bolting and also believe in bolting as a last resort. I place plenty of gear and clip plenty of bolts too. I've seen first hand the problem of over-bolting and routes put up in places MOST of the climbing community would not endorse. This does not in itself make sport climbing evil. It is always on a case by case basis. (IMO). Wasting my a time beating a dead horse is fun exercise and should help me on my next proj, dude. Once I heal up and can actually climb again...

Seeking attention today? I'm actually off to the wet mountains....late...for some exercise, so I'm going to keep this short for now. As repeated numerous times here: 1) From my perspective, I advocate "clean climbing" which is the practice of leaving as little trace as possible of your passing. I don't know how old you are so I don't know if you were even around or interested when that concept took off. A version of this is practiced today by probably every outdoor with an exception being sport-climbing. Bolts should be FEW and a last resort and each one should require ethical contemplation as to its impact. From my perspective, lines composed solely of closely-spaced bolts are irresponsible. I think it's better to leave the rock alone then to "create" such a "route". Do you think I'm the only one who thinks this way? Why are their bolt and power-drill restrictions in Joshua Tree and many other places? Have I ever clipped a bolt (cue the childish smokescreen ad hominem attack). Who hasn't? But they are perhaps best justified as fixed belay/rappel/top-rope anchors to avoid an accumulation of even more garbage. And as a rare publicly accountable last resort. Do I climb sport climbs? (routes solely composed of closely spaced bolts) No. I don't. I boycott them for the reasons described above and encourage others to likewise do so. Is sport-climbing fun? No doubt! Convenient (and profitable!) in so many different ways. Driving a dirt-bike around the Wonderland Trail would be fun too...but again there's a principle involved. Another popular comment around here: the "it's all good", "get with it, everyone's doing it", "it's here to stay".....blah, blah, blah. That's really, really shallow. I thought I'd keep this short but looks like I lost half an hour of outdoor time....so I'm outta here. So, back to an earlier question: would you care to discuss how unrestrained sport-bolting jives with a leave-little/no-trace ethic subscribed by most every other outdoor sport? - "Raindawg" P.S. You clearly didn't understand my point about rehearsal but I have no time for this. Instead, you may enjoy this picture from the Mt. Rainier web-cam c.11:20 AM today: It took you a half an hour to come up with that? I thought you were a super intellectual type. Have fun in the hills. Be sure to walk all the way there and only eat foods that were provided by nature along the way. Otherwise, you are still part of the problem and leaving a trace in the form of more pollution in our mountains. I'm sure you already considered your eco-footprint while you walk the distance (in 4 ft of snow - both ways)in your home made Moccasins/clothing that you whipped up from bear skin off the bear you killed bare handed . Go hardman, go. We worship your dedication to such a pure style of living. Someday, we will all be so cool, if we can keep up with you. Then again, I'm sure no climber will EVER live up to your rigorous approval standards... You will surely find something that makes even the most trad/old skool climbers less than you and your ideal. This strategy will keep you on the top of the pile and the holiest of the holies. At least in your own mind, anyway.

Sure about that? [video:youtube] I love cherry pie! What's not to like?

WHO LET THE DAWG OUT??? RUFFFFF!

Yes, so true... Training, or repeating/practicing is the root of all evil and there is no way one could improve overall climbing skills with this horrid tactic. We should not practice in any other arena or discipline in life either... When we send soldiers off to fight in a war, practicing over and over back at base camp is cheating and only dumbening down the soldiers to the lowest common denominator. We will only be hard, when everything in life is onsite, unrehearsed and fraught with danger.

Well? At least throw me a Scare Bear if your too scared to answer a simple question, Dawg... Maybe he is just off pioneering a new ultimate alpine route and far to busy to waste time talkin trash?

On the contrary Dawg... You, among the other usual suspects, espouse this altruistic "ethic", which is always out of reach of the "ordinary" climber. I really don't believe the climbing community is for grid bolting every piece of rock in the world. Yes, bolts should be limited, and only when gear cannot be had, and also only when it will have the least "permanent" impact on the "wilderness". I'm just curious if you, Dawg, have ever, in your climbing career, clipped a bolt? If so, why was that/those bolt(s) acceptable, when the rest are trash? Where does Dawg draw the line? Serious inquiry. Inquiring minds want to know.

Just eat em. That's what we did back in the last century (I know, most of ya'll were still suck'n mum's breast back then) but we could not afford to waste any calories cause we had to carry a rack made of real iron and just get'n to the crag usually took a week or so, going up hill in 3 feet of snow...

Just eat em.

I'm so thirsty for YOU, WATER, YOU!... Hick-up!