Frikadeller

Perhaps I can give some information here. I too had a family member die in a climbing accident, and the SAR team took pictures of him (my father) for me to identify, but I refused to look at the pictures (he was pretty beat up) because I did not want to remember him like that. It may also be possible that the body is not in a suitable condition to identify by visual means alone. Just my two cents...

Aha! Scrolling through that thread gives me insights..... Thats cool, you smoke a bowl in the hut, I'll smoke a camel... Whatever... Some people are just uptight... F- them.

Awww dude, he was just a spammer, and Jay B deleted his crap, because he was just trying to sell all of us some PLB's... A salesman is just a salesman... I'll bet he doesnt even go into the "wilderness"...

WHOA!!!! That intro reminds me of when I was 16 years old and would take acid with my frinds in the woods!!! But on a serious note, that "forest coat" looks like it's pretty good, way better than any of that patagucci garbage I bought at the swap meet...

some right wing jerkoff radio talkshow host in Oregon...

So how much are you selling these devices for these days? Can you get me a discount?? Spam alert!!!

Lars Larson?!?!? He'll just claim that it's all the Democrats fault in the first place... What a joke!!

hahaha! There ya have it folks! It does sum it up quite nicely, does it not?

Shoot, he probably has one on his belt at all times, just in case he gets lost in the mall parking lot...

Why not? Personal experience? Smoke 'em if ya got them...

I climb because I am a selfish motherfucker, and don't care what anyone thinks...

Not really, because for the MLU some one has to report that a party is missing, otherwise no one knows anything... So in the case of an injured climber hunkered down in a cave/bivy they have to send someone to activate SAR/Rescue to the fact that there is a problem up on the Mtn... This was the case when my father slipped and fell to his death on Mt. Ritter in the sierras. his climbing partner did not know how badly he was injured, or for that matter alive, and packed a speed pack and summoned help... (My father fell into a moat and was not accessible by one person alone)... He did the right thing in that case, summon help. A MLU (not applicable here, MLU is for Mt. Hood only) and cell phones have no reception in this case... Hiking (or running in my fathers case) out is the only choice... There is no doubt in my mind that the group in question did all the right things in the right situation. One cannot predict or account 100% for what the weather is going to do, and in their situation, they got caught in a storm, a PLB or MLU cant help you there. And as a matter of fact, even if they had stayed together, and activated a MLU or PLB, they would most likely still be hunkered down in a bivy, since SAR is unable to get to where they are... Still... Mr. jones, do you have a EPIRB or PLB on your boat at all times when you go out? Even just for a trip that is close to shore? How many boaters do? I would gather that these climbers where and are ten times more prepared for what they are doing and what an epic this has become for them, and is too bad that there are people that want to monday morning quarterback situations when they themselves have absolutely no idea what this sport is all about. Thats fine and that is your right, but we think you suck for that, and thats our right, and this is a climbing web site, so don't expect people here to consider your "quarterbacking" with nice comments.

That was my first guess when I read his "sales" speil in his first post...

Perhaps because of avalanche dangers, and perhaps to get the team back to regroup and de breif them and send up a fresh team in the morning.

No matter how you explain it to Mr. Jones, I don't think that he is going to understand what it is that attracts us to climbing... Or why someone would go up a mountain in the middle of the winter... But thats fine, because while he is busy not becoming "a popsicle" and posting stupid comments on a website, I will be skinning my new spitboard up some new snow tomorrow, and hopefully get some good turns in. I guess I will be able to see the helicopters and planes serching for these guys, as I think I am gonna skin up to palmer... (I hope that part of the mountain is not closed??!)

Oh, If that is true, I guess a couple of my guide books are wrong... But as I understand it, they also only work if you activate it, and someone notifies the Sheriff that someone is overdue..

Well, as I understand it, the MLU only works on the SOUTH SIDE of the mountain.. These guys where climbing the NORTH FACE, and decending on the south side.... So, if they are dug in on the NORTH side of the mountain, that MLU is as useful as a brick in your pack.. And as far as safety equipment, they are carrying that kind of stuff. Ropes, pickets, Ice axes, crampons, and screws are safety equipment that all of us climbers bring along. So, unless they are free soloing the NF of hood, in T-shirts and Jeans, I would say that they are safety sissies...

The route these guys where talking about is no where near where the helicopter saw the two climbers earlier. It is near impossible to traverse from the south side of Hood over to tie in rock (well, not impossible, but kinda tough) so I doubt that is them they are seeing, and more likely that it is the climbers we are all looking for. I hope that this gives some more perspective on the geographic locations of the mountain.

Well put Winter. Sitting here with my pack loaded ready to go. Someone please, ring the bell. Hey, at least I feel better now, because I am sitting here with my pack loaded as well... I am waiting for that bell to ring as well.. -Otto

Whats a recreational climber? Are people climbing in the South side this time of year?

I'll hit the Taco Bell instead on MLK and Lombard on the way in ( I live right off Dekum and 18th), so Javiers is actually out of the way, just slightly...Not by much though. Maybe after the next assault i'll give Javiers a try... BTW do they have anything in the vegetarian world? (not me but the wife requires it, fish is OK though)...

Where do you live? I am looking to move into an out of control party house. This 9-5, wife and a dog life are killing me.

You actually eat a Javiers? Every time I have gone by, it's either empty, or it's 2am and it's packed with the Woodlawn Bloods...

Dont ask any questions, and dont go snooping around either, or we'll have to kick your barney ass, Bra!