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SWEET PIC!!!! Where did you get it!!! The bone in the bowl is the best! Brian

Thank you, its a place that never has TR written about it so I thought I would post something off the beaten track instead of beign a forum lurker. We thought it was great too even without gaining a summit! Gonna go back again as soon as we can. The boating trip is almost as good as the mountain alpine scenergy. Brian

I should also note, that there basically are no "poor" in this country. Those that are poor, are usually poor by choice. I don't consider health care a right or a qualifier for being poor. If you have food, shelter, clothing, and a constant job, you aren't poor. You are "poorer" than most in this country, but compared to the world? We are rich without compare. Our "poor" are the worlds rich. Its a matter of perspective. Brian

I myself qualify for being disabled/handicapped due to illness under the current "laws", but don't because where there is a will there is a way. Also, I guess I wasn't speaking in regards to those who make lots of $$$ vrs those who don't. Farmers are anything but lazy, and don't make much money. Have a couple farmers in my family as well. I was speaking with regards to the attitude that what is yours should be mine because you have more than I do and life isn't fair. Its not that a couple of my cousins and others I know have illness problems, or are handicaped in anyway, but that they were LAZY, as in refused to work for a better life while expecting those who are working to pay their way for them. I have great respect for a handicapped man, Mark, who works harder than my cousins do and doesn't expect others to make life "fair" or even. Its not the amount of $$$ you make its the attitude that "I" deserve what is yours because you have more than I do. Its contentment issues with life. Brian

No, we never motored without the outrigger. It would be unstable since kayaks turn by opposite leaning and the motor when turned would be opposite that which is desired. Would have had to make a rear mount. For small sails you don't need a keel. The 2 person kayak races in florida with a max allowed 2m of sail area are usually 2/3 person kayaks 20+" wide with a pole in the middle which is used with a leeward wind. The outrigger swallows 20+ gallons of gas in Jerry cans + other gear. Your outrigger can't do that. Waiting on the wind wasn't part of our plans. On 3 our of 4 days of our travel, there was no wind to speak of and would have been marooned in a beachless "wasteland" from a boats perspective anyways. Most of Knight inlet it is not possible to even find a rock shelf to place your boat on. It would require climbing gear to get yourself onto dry land let alone getting the kayaks out of the water. Brian

One nit. On the macro shots, did you downsample the files to really small? I have a side hobby of Gardening so am rather interested in Forest/Floral etc shots and really like looking at the detail in the flower centers. Actually, I mostly like the berries =) Otherwise Good site man. B

Whatever you do, DO NOT BUY REI bags. Have a REI bag and bro has a Marmot bag. Bought 1 year apart. Both 0 degree bags. Both have been used the same amount. His is like the day he bought it. Mine has holes where the down has dissapeared. I have had to quit using it as the holes are right in the chest area!!! If you are looking at 3-4 lb bags. You could get a synthetic bag for your needs for $120 bucks at an online outlet store, or buy "new" for $150. OF course these bags won't last as long as Down, but are very cheep in comparison. Personally, I like sleeping under the stars and Feathered Friends offers Event as a fabric, thus you won't get wet from dew or light rain. I used to camp with no tarp or Tent for many years and simply let the bag get wet before giving up and heading out. Brian

Yes, we had the same problem with the Cloudburst 2 and the Squal 2 which we took to the pickets for a week +++ trip. I love the layout and ease of setup. 2 minutes flat, no joking. Faster if you really want faster. It was for the reason of the wind that we added the center hoop/pole. The center hoop/pole is actually on the inside of the tent with the pole legs through gromets sown into the bottom of the tent. We also added the ability of tieing tension strands from the opposite side to the tent "feet" for super high wind conditions. Up near Waddington we never had to do this, it was either constant torrential rain or dead calm and a billion degrees out turning all the fresh snow into a pile of slop that kept sliding on us, fun times. Brian

On our way out we cruised effectively at 10 knots due to the tides!!! Its so beutiful, even with the logging scars, why would anyone want to cruise fast is beyond me. Emergency only would be the only reason. Knight Inlet makes the Grand Canyon look like a big ravine. Brian

Well, it all depends no how much JUNK you are carrying. Completely empty with 2 people, Top Speed 13knots or so = 15mph. Actually, I don't really know. Never tested top speed for time trial. It might be 15knots. We were interested in fuel efficiency and the ability to travel over 200 miles without refueling. At WOT, fuel consumption was twice what 50% throttle was and top speed definetly did not double, so we didn't bother to test it. Actually, best fuel consumption was at idle. You cruise, fully loaded, at around 4+ Knots. You can barely paddle that fast. Pygmy claims top speed on the Osprey triple is 4knots or so whereas their COHO is 4.5? With 2 people and 600lbs of junk Top speed drops to about 11 knots and we cruised at about 7-8knts at 50% throttle. We did time trials on Lake Samammish for cruise performance, all the way down and back. Gotta love google earth eh? Map the points on Google earth for distance. Fuel consumption turned around 15mpg. Not exactly good. Judging by the wake and the splash created by the outrigger, we are positive that almost all of our drag was from the outrigger. We could also tell by how it steered. If I was richer, we would have built 2 Pygmy Osprey Triples. The longer length of the triple would have cut the drag dramatically over the outrigger. Yes, we seriously looked into putting a sail onto it. Would be the perfect platform for doing so. Going to test it this spring/summer. Ran out of time before we had to leave. Also, hydrofoils. Would have to have a longer engine shaft, and I don't think it would truely turn high enough RPM for hydrofoiling. If a single guy can push himself at 22 knots with a paddle, a 4hp Engine should push 2 guys and and all their crud along at the same speed or greater I would think. Problem is dynamic stability in waves, naturally. Basically takes a computer or a person who has to be very, very alert at all times as they do in races. We went with a small engine that was basically given to us. If I was buying one, I would get a 4 stroke engine for 50% better fuel economy and less noise. B

Can't agree with you more Tvash. It comes down to personal irresponsibility for ones actions, for those who wish for others to pay for their lives. I have some sympathy for those who are poor, but not much. They are poor for the most part, in this country anyways, because they are LAZY and LAZY parents who taught them to be LAZY. I have several cousins who fit this criteria to a T. Has nothing to do with how smart they are, they were plenty smart to get a good job. They were taught that being stupid, ignorant, and lazy was cool. Brian Its the guy who loves their job who is the best, has nothing to do with which classes one took.

Here are a couple pics of our Kayak "boat" at Sucia Island State Park at the top of the San Juan Islands. From 2 diff angles Brian

Its actually a Osprey Triple Kayak. Since neither my brother or I Are over 6' we didn't need the extra leg room. The "hatch" is easy to get on and off, thus easy to load and unload you just pull it off, whereas the double you have to access install hatches which in my opinion are a serious pain. The only good ones I have seen are on plastic Kayaks where they screw on, but they are WAY Heavier, like 30-40lbs heavier kayak compared to the Pygmy Osprey Triple. The outrigger kayak we found on Craigslist for $40. Its obvious why it was $40. IT was a poorly built home built job. We had to fix it up to make it strong enough. It had been folded in half already... Some epoxy and glass cloth fixed that problem. You can't even get in the cockpit. We took a standard Pygmy Cockpit cover and placed it over the smaller "outrigger" kayak then put a doubled strap around it for a seal. Connected the kayaks together with 2" Stainless Steel tubing that we had picked up from a junk yard who knows when. The outrigger kayak has a piece of garbage bow on it and splashes like crazy, but it was cheep. Looking for a replacement. Its no fun getting a continuous face full of sprayed water in choppy conditions. The whole thing bolts together with 6 bolts. Originally, we were going to take off from Lake Washington and cruise up there in a couple extra days. Our kayak trials showed that the outrigger caused too much drag and slowed us down to where this wasn't practical. Took our cousin on a weekend trip all throughout the San Juan Islands in the triple just fine. Brian Will post a complete pic.

Prole: Quit being irresponsible for your own actions and those of other people. Just because the mortgage CEOs/industry are good robbers doesn't mean everyone else should have that right. Personally, I think they should all be strung up as thieves. No, you don't have to have a law for common decency. On a slightly different note. The real problem is that in today's society most jobs require a BS/BA degree. They think a certificate in "X" makes them competent. Usually, I find people who go after certificates the most incompetent people because they know they are incompetent and try to cover their incompetence by getting pieces of paper instead of applying what they know. Thus, BS degree = Bull Shit and BA = Bull Ass. A piece of paper doesn't mean a thing. True, most people who get degrees are more responsible than those who do not, but not necessarily. It doesn't mean you are smarter. Yea, Yea I own a BS mechanical engineering degree. So what? Does it mean I am an engineer? No. Means I can add and subtract and do basic equations which anyone could do in High School. Judging by the guys who graduated with me and how incompetent they are and how incompetent most of the engineers I work with are, the degree doesn't mean much. Means they can do math. Ask most engineers in school why they are there, and their answer 70% of the time is because they are "good at math" which is nice if you are a mathematician but hopeless if you are an engineer. Same in other subjects. Ask a lot of nurses why, and you will get the response, "Because I watched ER and my BIO grades in HS were good and the counselor in High School pointed me in this direction." Doesn't make them a good nurse if you have no compassion or social skills having a nursing cert eh? Its what is between your ears and applying it which counts. A piece of paper framed and hung on your wall doesn't mean a thing. I went to school to gain knowledge. Basically where to look stuff up. I could have easily learned, and HAVE to a great extent everything on my own. I sure as heck learned how to apply everything I learned in school on my own. Taught myself several subjects which I never bothered to pay to take which I have used extensively in jobs. Brian

July 18th Through August 10th. Oh yea, watching house sized chunks of ice slide down the mountain side to disappear into a crevasse is rather awesome. lets just say it was rather warm. As you can see in the pics, T-shirt weather basically. Here you can actually get a feel for the terrain when viewed in the gallery instead of the micro sized on the TR. http://cascadeclimbers.com/plab/showphoto.php?photo=43460&size=big&cat=recent&limit=recent Brian

Its already in the plans! Bute inlet is actually shorter, but we wanted the summit of Jubilee is why we went to Knight Inlet. Didn't get it, but 95% of it I suppose. Brian

Forgot that you can't click on the pics for the larger size!!! The panoramas REALLY NEED IT. I think you can click my profile and look at "my picutres" or some such. Brian

Trip: Jubilee/Waddington Knight Inlet - Various Date: 7/18/2008 Trip Report: Finally, the long “awaited” promised TR to Jubilee/Waddington. Sorry for delay, been sick. It is also a bit long. To all mountaineering aficionados: Perusing the book shelves is a very dangerous proposition. For lo and behold I spied a glossy book with this breathtaking picture on the front. Not only on the front but throughout the book. Guide to the Waddington Range by Don Serl. Very dangerous stuff books. Instead of lining some helicopter pilots pocketbook we figured we could build our kayaks and get an enjoyable slightly extended trip out of it. 2 years of saving vacation and a couple grand to build our kayaks later and we were ready. Dreams of perfect weather and solid snow bridges girded our enthusiasm. Food, um yummm: Basically it came down to SUGAR/NUTS/BEEF JERKY/SALT. For sugar we got 10lbs of chocolate from Boehms Candy only took 7lbs though. Tons of Candy bars and Pecan Rolls with extra pecans and butter. Salted Almonds 4lbs, toasted pecans 1.5lbs. 10lbs of beef jerky we made ourselves from meat we got on sale for $2lb. We also took 3 loaves of banana bread since it keeps for 3 weeks. For salt we took fritos and corn nuts. Did you guys know that fritos have 3100 cal/lb??? Corn nuts are 2600cal/lb. Dang they tasted good. Expensive though. Only thing higher per lb is butter and pecans/almonds. Took several forms/flavors of crackers. Took spaghetti noodles with beef bullion and cup-o-soups for flavor since they pack very nicely. Why would anyone buy “dried noodle anything” at REI is beyond me. Buy the noodles for a fraction of the price and add your own spices. Noodles by definition are “dried” food. Not to mention the packaging those foods come in are VERY heavy!!! Well….. I was sick for several months leading up to the trip, the story of my life, making me rather out of shape for hauling 90+lb packs around. Left 2 days late on our 4 week trip. Not an auspicious start, but it was a start! We drove North from Issaquah in my Brothers Mazda RX-7 with both kayaks on the roof, 4hp engine in back with enough gas for 200 miles worth(20+gallons)cruising with all of our food and gear for 4 weeks. Took the ferry to Nanaimo on Vancouver island and drove north to Kelsey bay. There we met a local who showed us a map allowing us to take logging roads 20 miles north saving us several hours in the kayaks. Packed the kayaks and took off in the morning with the tide. At noon we stopped on a rock outcropping for lunch as we headed out up the fabulous Knight Inlet. Now our cruising speed is around 7 knots and Knight inlet is not a kind place for those who are having engine trouble. There is no place to “beach” we found a rock shelf and wiggled around on it to get the engine off and cleaned. The engine would not restart without being very rich. We thought the choke lever had popped off leaving it running rich. Nope. After several hours of fiddling around we finally pulled the entire carb off and tore it down finding tons of black crud in the carb from when we had burned some old gas in a previous trip trying to get rid of it. DOH!!! <> Oh well. Lesson learned. The wind had kicked up and was whipping along at 20+ knots creating 3 to 4 foot waves. When you are sitting in a kayak with your butt 4 inches below the water surface a 2 foot wave means that your eyes are basically level with the top of it. Now 3 and 4 waves swallowed and wallowed our kayak as we chugged along. You would get on top of a wave and would “surf” down at 15 knots speed and then come to an abrupt halt as you climbed up the other side of water. In the meantime the next 4 foot wave decides to crest over the rear of the kayak and sending foaming water up to my brothers chin. I so wished I had a waterproof camera!!! We were desperately trying to find a beach as we had our outrigger kayak loaded too front heavy and was being buried completely under water and we were getting worried. The only thing we saw were cliffs. I saw a small speck of island on the map and hoped it had at least a nook to hide in. Instead it had a shingle of rock that was accessible at high tide. Lucky us, it was high tide. We hauled the kayak and outrigger out of the water onto the barnacled rock shelf. Now we are sitting perched on a rock shingle/shelf watching the water receed from high tide and found ourselves perched on top of a cliff. OOPS! Looking at the tide charts we see that the next high tide at 5:30 in the morning is 30inches lower than high tide today!!! Oh crap. Oh well, time to eat and sleep! We found the best sleeping spots imaginable, 4” thick moss. SWEET. At high tide the next morning we pushed the kayak and outrigger kayak over the cliff and finally got it into the water at high tide without falling over the cliff edge ourselves and going for a swim. In an hour of cruising we found the only beach in the entire 75 mile trip going up Knight inlet. An absolutely stunning spot. Ate Breakfast and kept cruising. We thought we would get some water from a stream entering Knight Inlet… oops a 200 foot waterfall greeted us instead. Knight inlet is an amazing spot. Ringed in cliffs on all sides. Here is one mountain rising 7500 feet straight out of the water. Several thousand foot granite cliffs are common and unclimbed. If they were in Yosemite they would be exceptional. We finally hit the end of Knight inlet and ditched our kayaks on the loggers platform at the Dutchmans Head where their fuel tanks were. We got permission from loggers who were there. HOLY COW THE HORSE FLIES!!! The only good thing was that as soon as the sun goes down they all dissapear. Killed 10 in one swat! It wasn't the only high count swat either. I am not pulling your leg either! Lets just say we didn't stick around to take pictures! Thankfully the loggers gave us a ride to their loggers camp saving us 3 miles of walking through bear country. Did I mention Bears? Yea, bear poop everywhere on the road. The loggers joked that the bears never crap in the woods, but only on their logging roads! Think cow patties littering the road like goose poop. We only saw 1 bear on the trip to camp though. Loggers Camp With some judicious begging the loggers took us up the road as far as they could towards Mt. Jubilee saving us an added 10 miles of walking in bear country with nothing more than "pepper spray". Lets just say that after being dropped off and looking at the littering of bear poo everywhere, we uh, made some "noise" as we walked and hoped that mama grizzly bear wasn't too hungry. The easy walking didn't last as we got off the main logging road and onto an old "logging road" We camped on the only flat spot we could find, an old log bridge. Oh did I mention that my brothers toe was over twice its normal size. He limped to this spot and we did not move for 5 days. It seems he had picked up the kayak trying to move it off the rock shelf 2 days previous and dropped it on his toes. The next day Nate tried walking on it and in less than a half mile was huge and very painful. Then the weather moved in. Our spirits were bleek to say the least. A clearing in the clouds for a couple hours and we packed quickly and sprinted up a couple thousand feet through logging slash and cliff bands as we dodged into heavy timber wherever we could find it. It turned to rain again and we found the last bit of old logging road and stayed there for 2 days collecting drinking water off the tent. Weather cleared again and we lugged our +90lb packs up into the alpine terrain. Couldn’t see a thing as it was nothing but clouds but we got to dry out and sleep on heather!!! 3 more days of rain, sleet, snow and it cleared finally!!! Nate's toe never really healed but was ok to at least walk on slowly. TONS of FRESH SNOW up higher and very warm temperatures made very slow going with fresh snow on top of slush. We decided to go on the south side of Jubilee on the Chaos glacier since the views were so much better! We spent several hours trying to get down onto the glacier itself in order to gain access to Mt. Jubilee’s East Ridge our desired route. Anyone up for some icefalls? With the warm temps there were huge blocks ripping off of them. The Whitemantle range is spectacular from the Chaos Glacier. Climbing on 45 degree slush deeper than the knees with cliffs below is draining to say the least and threw down our tent on the first flat spot we found that wasn’t a crevasse. Our hopes buoyed by some of the best scenery in the world we set off for the summit of Jubilee and the east ridge. It was not to be, Giant crevasses littered our path. Tried left, center, and right. 20 foot, 40 foot gaps rent the east ridge route with ice cliff steps above the rents. The route had obviously changed than what was published as a gentle walk in the guide book. These crevasses wouldn’t even have had snow bridges in mid season let alone on August 1st. Looked at the SE ridge route and it was cut several spots by more giant crevasses and nasty loose red crumbling rock to bypass around them on its ridge which we had scrambled over the day before to gain access to the Jubilee Glacier. Moved Camp to a more scenic spot on the East ridge of Jubilee with monster crevasses around us and hoped for some colder temperatures as we were wallowing in slush. Since the night before we had been aruging about the fact that we were sleeping with our heads in a downward position we decided to do some snow engineering creating a "bubble-level". The guide book said the North ridge was a spring only option, but we had already decided that the SE ridge was a loose rock death ride, and the east “gentle” ridge was impassable. So, off we set. The weather changed and was nice and cold. We got to the schrund right beneath the summit and were turned back by yet another gaping crevasse. To the true north face were more gaping monster crevasses and the summit schrund joined the east ridge impassable crevasses. Skunked on a mere 9000 foot summit!!! You have got to be kidding me right? Guess not. To see how Gigantic these crevasses are. Look at this picture. Follow our tracks over the snow bridge down to the black spot which is our tent. These babies were easily 200 feet across and who knows how deep, I didn't go checking out the edge all that closely!!! It was now 2 weeks into our trip, and 0 summits, 1 broken toe, and horrible snow conditions. We looked at eachother took in the sights, sighed and said, “I think we have pushed our luck far enough. There is no way we will be able to get up Waddington in conditions like this, not to mention to it and back before our vacation runs out even in perfect weather conditions.” We packed, dumping extra food into a crevasse and watched the cirrus clouds as they told us what waited for us if we stayed, more crummy weather. Now that we knew the crevasse maze, we practically sprinted off the shoulder of Jubilee, broken toe and all. Walked out with the advantage of gravity back to our Kayaks and took off before we were eaten by a grizzly bear, cougar, or horseflies. On a humorous note, we walked back through where we camped and noted that there is no need to bury your poop. Every spot we had “done our thing,” it was completely cleaned out paper and all!!! Nice!!! An all new meaning to bear breath! Fired up the engine and made a most memorable trip out knight inlet to the one beach in the entirety of knight inlet. Next day made it back to the car 3 weeks after we had left it. Put the spark plugs back in since the engine floods when it sits, hooked up the battery and headed for home. After taking the ferry back to Vancouver side our battery died. So we bumbled into a gas station and begged charge time off of people all night long. The battery was old and needed replaced. After the charge time from good Samaritans we made it back across the border and coasted into a Wal-Mart parking lot where we bough a new battery and made it home. Will I go back??? OH yea! Saving vacation time as we speak and thinking of going up Bute inlet and taking bikes for the 20+ miles of main logging roads to the Waddington glacier. Will just pay the helicopter guys the money to drop food in for us. 95lb packs are NOT enjoyable at all. When on snow, they aren’t bad, but going through logging slash? Someone shoot me please. Actually, it wasn’t that bad. Entire time in the brush was probably less than a day of cursing, but we spread it out over a week due to a broken toe and RAIN. What was bad was the soaking wet brush above your heads. Most importantly will also pay attention to snow conditions better the year before and the weather.com reports for the area. If we had paid better attention we would have known that the weather had been very good in the spring and early summer and the crevasses wide open and left sooner.

Most of the decline is due to the digital age of the nanny state where anything that even comes close to a bug or germ is termed "dangerous. Can't wait till the safety idiots will say that watching TV or playing games will be "DANGEROUS". Kids can't do anything because its "unsafe". You can't build treehouses in your backyard without a permit and PLANS!!! Why? Because a kid might get hurt. Oh no, I might bleed or break a leg! SO??? It teaches lessons and makes life enjoyable. The second biggest decline is due to fees for access to supposed PUBLIC LANDS. Not exactly very public if you have to pay to get access to them now is it??? The Forests/parks are supposed to be for the PEOPLE of this country to enjoy. Not for those who have the money to pay for permits. National parks should be FREE. NO camping permit $$$ Its for the PEOPLE of this country/world to enjoy. Same with the forests. For instance Washington State parks used to have a permit to get in. Here in Issaquah, Sammamish State Park saw over a 50% decline in usage. Now that the fee is gone, its just as popular as it ever was and finding a parking spot anywhere close to the beach on a sunny weekend is impossible. Go to the park now and you see young families, groups of teens, the poor immigrants to this country speaking 10 different languages etc. Quite a nice place. Soccer club/baseball etc usage of fields is a different proposition entirely. Brian

Maybe, the lazy schmucks should work instead of racking up spring break vacation tabs in Florida etc and summer trips to wherever they wish in the world while the responsible people of this world uh hem... Work??? No, not work! You mean I have to pay this back? You mean drinking cases of Beer and partying all year long doesn't pay student loans!!! You are kidding me!!! No way, the damned fine print got me again!!! Same with all the schmucks who put themselves on ARM loans with 0 down. Try using your brains, I have no sympathy to irresponsible people. There should be no bailout of fools. Give them bread/water with some vitamin pills. Guess what its called being responsible for your own actions. While I am ranting, make CEO's etc unable to pull down more than 10X what the average worker makes even with his Bonus's. That will solve the corporate piracy going on in today's economy. If the CEO created the company like a Bill Gates then there should be no limit. But, some schmuck off the steets who is simply hired? No way. Stop the corporate CEO fraud to get their GOLDEN PARACHUTES on the backs of the workers. Try cutting your credit cards in half as well, amazing how much money you will save when you become responsible. Gotta laugh at Baraks "stimulus" package, create 3 million government jobs... wonderful. DOING WHAT????? Quite stimulating sitting in a chair in a government office. Ok, don't with my rant. Brian

I should have also said that we changed the front pole out, for a 5/8" self made pole instead of the standard 5/16" poles that commonly come in tents. Added Velcro tabs to keep the poles taunt for windy conditions. You ask, "Why we did this?" Because I really really like the layout of the cloudburst 2 for room/ventilation. Not to mention it cost us $200 while a true 4 season tent would cost $400 or more. No, I would not take this to Denali. Although with more testing I might. As J.... whatever his nic is, said, Fabric is fabric. It has to pass tests to be classified in its category, so it doesn't matter who makes it or where. The stitching is a different story of course! Brian

As one who never even bothered to take a tarp or a tent into the cascades for the first 10 years of backpacking/mountaineering, I find this discussion hilarious. I never had the $$ for a tent. Took flannel $20 sleeping bags tied to the bottom of a kids backpack in a black plastic bag. If it rained, it was simply time to walk out. Why are most of you guys so billigerent to calmly posted opinions? Yea, I agree I wouldn't waste $20 on this tarp thing either. A blue tarp costs less! Or go to Pacific Fabrics and buy some lightweight sil-nylon that weighs less. I have only had mosquito problems at 1 lake in my entire backpacking life. ON A DIFFERENT NOTE: MY QUICK REVIEW OF A TARPTENT IN EXTREME CONDITIONS! I took a Tarptent Cloudburst 2 and added a middle pole. Now I don't get wet and its good for winter camping. Took this tent to Waddington Area for 3 weeks. 2 of those weeks were torential rain/wind/sleet/snow/wind, fun times... the 101th game of Go-Fish goes to.... WOO HOO I GOT THE JOKERS>>> HAHA eat it buddy! Never got wet. When we did get condensation, it rolled down the inside of the cloth, and out through the mosquito netting on the bottom last 10 inches. Plenty of room for 2 with 0 degree sleeping bags and all our gear inside stayed dry as well. The pack frames we left outside with black plastic bags over them when down lower. When on snow, you just dig a snow hole in front and everything stays dry. Brian

Ah yes, nice shot of Chimney Rock. Can't quite see it but, its obvious why its called Chimney rock by its awesome 150 foot tall North Chimney to access the summit. Its a VERY airy climb for the Cascades. 1000-1500 foot plus air beneath your feet on all sides! Ramp at top has 2 spots where you literally step over 1500 feet of air to the other side of a cleft baring access to the top! You can even bivy on the summit! Spot for 2 and no more though! Brian

4500 feet of brush from knight inlet to alpine which lasts for maybe 500-1000 feet and after that you are on glaciers. The brush was to Jubilee which is on the fringe of Waddington area. Once you are on jubilee you can't see a tree except a couple at the end of the franklin glacier at 4000 feet. Everything over 5500 to 6000 is snow/ice glacier covered and the glacier snouts go much lower. The cascades don't have valley glaciers either. Thus there is no easy way to access anything without crevasse circumnavigation. Everywhere you are actually climbing has 0 lakes meadows trees. It ain't the cascades jack... The options are a) camp on snow while poking for crevasses or b) clear some scree away and break out your jack hammer to clear a ridge that sticks through the ice. Nabob pass is at the end of the Tiedemen/Tellot glacier where you are actually climbing has 0 lakes/meadows/trees. If you are actually near Waddington, within 10 miles, you can't hardly even see a tree. The 2 you can see are alpine pipsqueeks 15-20 miles away. The cascades don't get daily maritime airflow either, they are insulated by the Olympics and the lowlands. Up by the border you get some but its not coming from the Gulf of Alaska and the Queen Charlotte straights on a daily basis. Brian Gonna go back that is for sure!

Um not exactly. There are no lakes, meadows, or trees. Its rock and ice only. Brian