underworld

too late...they already did. the majority of people don't want impeachment proceedings

don't dare try and spin bush's poll numberz

and every time i see it mentioned i think of bacon!! mmmmm....bacon....

don't know... i've never climbed there. i'm not arguing to stop the cleaning. i just wonder what it is that makes the purists ok with the cleaning. (it has been answered, to an extent)

i agree... i think rock climbing in general does not harm the overal picture of nature. it would seem tho, that the purists here that don't ever want to damage the rock would also want to keep even loose rocks where they are. either risk it or climb somewhere else. the argument is made that if you can't climb it safely without bolting, you shouldn't climb it. can the same be said about trundling? maybe the argument is about skill. loose rock isn't as much of a skill thing as a bolted/notbolted face. so trundle to make it safe and don't bolt to keep it bold. hmmmm...but if that is the case then the bolting argument is a chestbeat fest anyway idunno... i'm no purist and i'm no first ascenter. more interested in peoples theories and ideas edited to add: i do like trundling as much as the next guy

an inconvenient goof

it was a curiosity question... to see what things fall under safety, access, ethics, entitlement, etc... all of the above are gray areas if you ask me.

cc.com spray: 101 ways to say "i know you are but what am i", but with big words

well, the poor should just go buy a prius. then they would spend less on gas. simple!

pitches aint shit but hoes and tricks

i don't mean to start up a bolting thing again and i don't even know who the militant anti-bolters are on this site... but i'd be curious to know what they (and others) think about big cleaning efforts like this. pulling off loose blocks permanently changes the rock and is done to make things safe for climbers, right? all done by the judgement of some individuals. how different is this than bolting a route? just a thought??

what about videos of a 1st ascent of an unclimbed peak... and they are shooting down at the climbers. wtf?

the government ...efficient????

linky

he was talking about bush's motives (speculation)... not what actually happened. also, i was talking about his (and other's) attitude in general...

right.. who could EVVVVEERRRRRR have a different opinion than yours. aside from the seriously under-educated. duh

ok

were you just as upset for all of these?

so is this route hot or not? saw a topo and it looked good. then saw this thread. worth it? thx

you mean voting with your money works??? no way. gotta regulate!

what do they do with the stuff they filter out of it?

Another fiction.... even .5% is an "astonishingly high percentage" for that lunacy...

how 'bout that fairness doctrine BS... must...regulate...airwaves....

i was replying to the statment that the supreme court couldn't be unbiased. all of the branches have their biases... this was understood when the idea of checks and balances was installed.

none of the branches can... and we are back to "checks and balances"