I have never climbed at Dishman, don't know who any of you are, but if this is what some of you think this is remotely acceptable behavior or anything but ambitious vandalism then climbing in general has taken a very sad turn.
And what the hell does the fact that tourists and vagrants trash the place have to do with it? If you want to do something, then clean up around where you climb and pack some of that shit out of there; don't sink to the climbing equivalent of a drunk or junkie just because you happen to hang out at the same places they do.
I'd rather see an area, any area, closed to access than be subjected to this kind of cowardice. And when some abberant ego vandalizes a crag and no one in the climbing community (Access Funders where are you...) steps up to correct the problem and you all lose access - well, you shouldn't be surprised - behavior like this is exactly how and why access is lost.
Dane sounds to me like one of the only clear, objective voices not drowning in the need to rationalize self-absorbed consumption under some sort of "personal style" label. He's right - there is no acceptable "compromise" on this sort of behavior unless you're willing to see your access compromised.
And, as if it needs saying, if no one shows up with the balls to lead an existing trad route for 10 months or 10 years so be it - have a little self respect and either dig around and find your stones or get on the route and earn some.
P.S. I have climbed at Minnehaha and it is a fine crag that needs no "improvements" of this or any other sort. Dishman , from the pictures, looks good as well and you're all pretty lucky to have access to two such great little crags.
