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good point, will certainly delay the process by a few years. Though cig's don't typically kill people till after they spawn either. People can be absurdly pig-headed when they want to be.

Yep, but then they'll all fuckin die. Modern medicine is at best as stop gap solution that will slow down how fast they kill themselves. The best they can do with policy power is slow down the process. There will be a backlash eventually. Rock bottom may very well come with the current generation of kids has kids. After they've watched their parents lose their limbs, eyesight, and lives due obesity and diabetes issues and see the same thing start to happen to themselves, and finally realize exactly what they're doing to their own kids.

saying it's bad for their health is one thing; saying it's bad for their love lives might be crossing the line. There was some estimate I heard that for every 10-15(?) lbs a guy is overweight his effective lenth goes down by a 1/2 inch due to the increase thickness of the fat pad over his pubic bone. I'm sure there is probably some equivalent measure for you gals as well. But of course if size doesn't matter to anyone

Since when has top-down management of addictions ever been successfull? How many people are really capable of changing something as profound and fundamental as their basic self-identities and behaviors without hitting absolute rock-bottom, first? So long as their addiction remains in any way manageable or palatable people will continue to feed it. my prediction? Obesit is going to go the way of the cigarette. In another 20 or 30 years a final fundamental shift will occur away from it being seen as in any way acceptable, there will eventually be enough public support to be make it progressively harder and harder, and less and less desirable to be fat. Being forced to purchase extra seats on airplanes, and pay higher insurance costs, is only just the start. On a different note, I wonder if anyone has looked at the relationship between the great depression and the current obesity epidemic? If you think about it, it's really the kids, and grandkids of those who lived through the depression when food was scarce who are having the weight issues. The whole, "clean your plate" ethic, combined with the new sedentary life-style is screwing people over, exacerbated by things like potato chips which are damn near crack is screwing things up.

Well, eventually all of these wonderful health trends will progress to the point where they take serious effect prior to reproduction instead after reproduction. Then evolution can take care of itself. It would be nice that if people were going to kill themselves slowly through their own stupidity that they'd at least have the common courtesy to do it before they have kids, so they don't inflict others with it. Well either that or people will actually realize that they're killing themselves and do something about it , yep, that's likely.

Is there any greater threat to family values than religions that espouse blind, unquestioning, unreasoning, faith in one individuals interperation of the holy texts and how they apply to the world above all else?

I wish these guys hadn't broken up! Free Music! Bone Daddies!

lmao! At least i'm suffering in good company!

Gawd I hope not! If you publish first I may never graduate!

I've been an inconsiderate "A-hole" in the past. I knew it at the time and felt like shit, but extracting myself from the situation was painful on all sides. Some very wonderful people who really didn't deserve it suffered because me. One lovely episode cost me my relationship with my girlfriend at the time (and now wife). I got lucky and she looked past my faults. Now I just do my best to mitigate it, and usually do an ok job. Though i'm sure i'll do it again in the future. Like most people, I do the best I can and hope it's enough. Luckily showing up and making an effort is more than half of any struggle, so I seem to do ok. I could go on blithering but i'll spare you all Oh, and yesterday I was feeling very burned out. I've been staring at the same dam document since, fuck last October maybe? And it's all i've been doing since June. I'm damn near done and it's somewhere between exhilirating and horrifying!

Expecting anyone to be anything all of the time is deluded at best. All men and women are jerks at one time or another. But that has nothing to do with the capacity to be kind, loving, or altruistic. It seems the biggest difference between assholes and nice people is the capacity to self-evaluate, and understand when you've screwed up, why, and to make an effort not to do it again in the future. One of the many things that pisses mne off about "our current president".

This. This is what teaches men that using the threat of violence is the way to force others to act as if they believe what you believe. I think that is wrong. Something in my gut (besides the Krispee Kreme I just ate) tell me this is wrong. Violence seems to be the first response of the stupid and lazy, when it should be the response of last resort. Even then it seems no response would often be a better course of action.

Be careful though, playing games is a very good way to chase of the guys who don't play games.

my wife just finished reading a book where the author only refered to GW as "our current president", as it's much more optimistic and forward looking. I think the best thing that can possibly be said about this administration is that this too shall pass. I just hope our society has learned enough not to trust immature assholes with our lives. I wonder if there's any way for the Dem's to go after the republican moral machine. If somehow the Republicans can be given enough rope to hang themselves with. The whole Terry Schiavo thing was close, but no cigar yet.

A set of Metolius TCU's for $15 a piece

Dude, the level of inanity has just gone too high. Were all ignoring you

Is there a way to wolf whistle on line? Happy B-Day Snugtop!

please keep your love life to yourself, some of us are trying to have lunch

That's just because you like saddles Must agree though, good movie. As for me.... All time? Monty Python's Holy Grail !! followed shortly thereafter by The Shining Full Metal Jacket and Super Troopers

Just get a new 50m 9.1mm rope. (Beal Joker I think?) Should be pretty light, and give you a full rope to work with.

The Snow patch was gone?

Wow i'm a Moron! I meant to ask about the basin below Cutthroat!

I've never heard anything " 'anything' Canadian" I'm not sure if that's better or worse.

Poor thing. That explains so much.

That's ok, i'm asleep at someone elses.