SemoreJugs

I read this entire thread and wondered: Why do we automatically HATE someone, simply because their ideas are different from ours? IT took only 3 posts before the personal attacks were unleashed. Trust me, I've unleashed my own share in recent memory. But I'm through with that. I feel much better by the way!!! Something to think about... Why have we spilled so much blood when all we had to do was realize we are all human beings with the same basic needs and desires? Especially in this day and age, there is theoretically enough resources to go around for EVERY single living person. No exaggeration. It seems to me that the problem is fear. The rich are afraid to lose their power and become subjugated by those just like them. The poor are afraid they will be killed by the rich if they step out of line. The poor fear the rich. The Rich fear the rich. But they also fear the poor (due to their numbers and their desperation). So where is the love? Well, its everywhere. You just dont "hear" about it. Why? Why dont we see all the acts of kindness on the news? How about we begin to focus on that? I'm a lover, not a fighter. Well, I'm trying anyway. Quite a mess. Let's tidy it up, eh? Think globally, act locally. Drop the cynicism, drop the weapons, drop the fistfulls of dollars, drop the worries, drop your attachments to meaningless things, drop the negativity,drop the hatered, drop the acid. All we have in this world is each other. Have you ever heard of a happy hermit? Why do we isolate ourselves? Why do we build fences to block off our neighbors? Why do we repeat the words of others without thinking them thru first? Why do we think that killing will bring about lasting peace? If this were true, war would have ended in this century. While open war between countries is less frequent today, you have other wars: Those of ideology, terrorism (which is commited by institutions on a far greater scale than by individuals), wars on drugs, wars on freedom of expression, wars on wars, wars on trade, wars on political systems, wars on relious differences, wars on information, wars on sexuality, wars on the "truth", wars on happiness, etc. Most of these wars serve one purpose. To perpetuate hate and war. The worst virus mankind has ever seen is its own hate. "The Matrix" has been here for some time. Who knows for how long? But dont fear my words. Think about them. Take courage. There are many of us awakening to the truth. It can only hold us enslaved for so long. And so it continues... Now who wants a hug? Dont be fooled by the hatred. Question everything. There is almost always a better way.

Pretty. fucking. sexy. So to speak.

Looks like I'm gonna let you guys down... Gary, I got pretty worked up today over this whole silly thing. Upon reflection, I made some realizations about my actions and their effects and consequences. So I am extending my apologies right now. I went about things in the wrong way. I should have treated you with more respect and not tried to point out your flaws when I have a host of my own to work on. Maybe, I will fall into this trap less often from now on... Anyway, I am sorry for the mud slinging. You are right, our personalities simply clash. Best of luck in your search for happiness and fulfillment.

If you were his true "friend" you would have the respect not to air this out on here. I feel like I have reason to air our differences out on this forum, because 1) you initiated the flaming and 2)I aint yo friend. 3)Sadly to admit, I have some bones to pick with you that we never really aired out and its too late to do so personally because I really want nothing to do with you. So this is also for my own cleansing... 4) I really do hope that my harsh advice will be recieved as a wake up call. Its tough for a friend to tell you the hard truth (like you are having trouble doing with Z and likely he is with you) so hence, I, a very vague acquaintence steps in... My bad, I got the days wrong, besides, the Friday thing was pure conjecture, an example of why he may not have checked his email till the next day. But I apologize for my carelessness. However, If it was Tuesday, and he got back to you on Wednesday afternoon, that still gives you wed night, thurs, and fri to find a weekend partner. And to shamelessly reiterate via self-quotation: Be sensible, quit bitching, and realize not everyone has the same standards and priorities that you may have. Now THAT might have been flaky. However, maybe he was fighting your self-centrered assumptions with passive aggression. Personally, I dislike both. His motivations, though, are unknown to this forum aside from your testimony, which has a cerain spin to it. However, you said you would see him Friday so maybe he ASSUMED you guys could talk about what happened mono-a-mono. Not sure I've ever saw you elsewhere. As far as I know, I have only met you that one time that we climbed together, but maybe you saw me and I didnt see you??? I wonder just how many people have shared a "less-than enriching" day of cragging with you??? Of course, this makes me wonder who, besides you, has had a negative experience climbing with me? I must ponder this... To summarize: I think you implicitly project unrealistic expectations uponn situations and others and are continually let down when they dont meet your impossibly high standards. If you want to stop this, recognize the pattern and do something to modify it. Forgive yourself and others for their errors. I forgive you for our bad experiece, that is one reason why I am trying to help you get outside your perspective. You did ask for other peoples opinions, afterall. Well, you got it. Now try to absorb and listen. Oh and DeChristo, “Why do feel the need to be so self-centered…..(ad nauseum)?” Well played. It looks like this guffaw of mine is going to get a lot of mileage!!!! I think I pulled a Howard Dean on that one! Everyone else: I’m glad you are enjoying the drama. I think its pretty damned funny myself.

amen.

I cant resist this one... realize im trying to constructively criticise...hopefully it sheds some light on your confusion (albeit harshly) Implicit? Did you ever consider that what is implicit in your mind, may not exist in someone elses? Try becoming more EXPLICIT and you will have less social problems. I climbed with you once and did not appreciate how you would get pissed over concerns that you never expressed to me until WAY after the fact. Learn to openly communicate. Are you living in reality? Why didnt you get Z's phone number? not everyone can check email all the time. If you contacted him on Friday, its obvious why his "pattern of email checking" changed. He checks his email at work. Then he went home. You should have called him instead of expecting an email response unless he explicity said, "I will be checking email constantly". Besides, you gave him a non-commital answer. Maybe he didnt appreciate YOUR flakiness. Did you expect him to fret over WTF you were going to do every hour for the next 24 hours? Did he ever commit to you? no. He got back to you in one day. that is pretty damned accdeptable in my book. He simply heard a non-commital answer from you, recieved no phone call, probably has a busy life that revolves around more than climbing and geeking out, and decided to move on to something else. Why should he apologize? He has nothing to be sorry for. I judge him to be blameless. Remember, commitment is a two way street. You set the tone of flakiness and non-commitment. It sounded to him like you were "playing the field", you sly fox. Why should he commit to someone like you? Exactly, you were sitting on your ass, not communicating, making assumptions, when you should have been calling; if it was so damned important to you. Your words betray you. Self reflection my friend, self reflection. and you admit that you were using him for a ride. What? You expect this guy to put you as his #1 priority in life so he can chaueffer you to the crag? You aren't any fun in a car trip, at all. I still shudder from that uncomfortable experience. You climbing, ride-bumming whore!!! Am I too harsh?

I would gladly see the day where FEMINIE leaders were at the head of the most powerful countries. This likely is hundreds of years away in human societal evolution. I think male and female have little to do with it, rather masculine vs feminine. For a feminine leadership to arise, it would have to be more of a council, rather than an individual figure. Feminine leadership and desicions occur thru consensus, not overpowering force, that is a masculine quality. With that said, I doubt many women in positions of power are much different than men in power. they have to assert an even FIERCER aggresiveness to get there (although often in a more subtle, hidden way). Thoughts?

Wow, I am amazed at the logical leaps people will take to defend a reprehesible action so they can sleep at night. Create a "superflu". Um sorry. Bio-Engineered viruses and bacteria were not feasible until restriction endonucleases were used to manipulate DNA in the late 80s. Up until then, germ warfare consited of spreading already isolated bugs from nature (like smallpox). It just goes to show how people will believe nearly anything that plays off their fears. thats how the Iraq war was justified and sold to the american people. Gee, what if we instead negotiated a truce after the firebombings, which actually killed more civilians? You could make a strong case for America being the biggest terrorist in history next to Nazi Germany. Dont think we were terrorists then and now? REmember the term Bonzai? It came from the Japanese men, women, and children that lined up to jump off a sea cliff named "Bonzai" from fear of being captured by Americans or killed on our terms. That was the terrorized mindset they lived and died with. WE targeted civilians. We targeted cities. We should pay for our war-crimes. WE dont because we won and we think we are moral but we are assuredly not. Fight evil with more evil? Ummm, okay. Einstein. Likely one of, if not the, the most intelligent people in modern history, was a hard-core pacifist nand activist. Despite popular legend, he lived in reality. He envisioned a way to settle differences other than by killing and terror. We just dont want to listen. I dont know why.

The new "Cannonball Run": midget cowgirl VS aged, rolling landscape approaching "The BUMP"

Took some friends climbing for the first time today at Far Side. Not a bad place for beginners and less zoo-ish than Mt Washington and Deception crags. Did some VERY SHORTies. 99 Grit (5.9) which everyone got up! Not bad for first climb! Agreed, the grades at 38 are soft. But still, not too shabby. Did the 10a and 10c to the left of that. Then, I saw the glory route. The testpiece. The 11d by which all 11d's should be judged... For me to POOP on! I have no idea what the name was. It was a cool-looking corner/roof with a mantle exit. I never buy a guidebook for sport crags since you can always just borrow someone elses (suckers). Naturally, I saw it as my duty to impress everyone there and made them think I was a hardman, despite my true deficencies...heh...heh... Well, I was able to onsight it. Funny thing is, I haven't been sport climbing in over 2 months. Havent been bouldering or TRing in the gym in about 2 months. Mostly been doing alpine trad in the upper 9, lower 10 range, grade II-III, lately. And thats the hardest O/S or Redpoint I;ve ever done. Honestly, it was really just a protected highball. Therefore, I must reason that it is more like 11b, or that gyms are BS and I should save my money and use it to buy PBR to liquor up the girls at the crags instead. After the gritscone warm-ups, we ventured up to find the Interstate Wall. After blundering around the Gun Show area and doing a lot of up and down, we located the Interstate. The left side is a piece of junk. There were better routes on the middle and right. However, everyone was already tired and pissy from the hike up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, b, a, select, start... so we settled for some shady routes that went at 5.fun. Swam in the river on the way out. There were lots of daisey dukes, 16 year olds and toothless 40 year olds splashing about. The PBR, Texas-sized pickups, and gunracks were in effect!!! Sweet! Yay. Here's to a chill day of cragging. Nice reprieve from the stress of Alpine and MUCH easier approaches!!!!! <b>Gear Notes:</b> circleheads, 4 lost arrows, bongs, leepers, do-whiz-its, barnacles, scabies, piss-watery beer (to ward off dehydration). To my dismay, there were no goats about. WTF?

What about the one behind her sporting them sexy chaps and boots. I'm getting hard just thinking about it. And dude, I think her little shrubbery is quite fetching

knelson. Thanks. Sorry I got a stick up my ass. I guess I was a bit annoyed becuase it seems like anytime someone tries to have one serious conversation, someone has to rain down with the sarcasm and negativity. Dont get me wrong, I love to be a smartass just like anyone else. I guess I just had my panties in a wad that day. You hit upon a nerve I;ve been trying to ferret out. However its a tricky bastard. I reek of control freak. Deep-seeded issues and stuff. You dont want to hear the backstory I'm sure. You are very right. And you know, on our way down, I did see that silver lining for an entire day. It was a day of utter honesty with myself. I'm not kidding. It was beautiful and horrible at the same time. It was quite a gift. Its shocking to realize how much we gaurd ourselves from, well, ourselves. SAdly, despite concentrated efforts, I lose sight of this and fall into my control freakish tendencies, especially with strangers that I dont yet trust (ie everyone on this site). You hit the nail on the head. Its a lot easier to try to "fix" or point out someone else's flaws, than it is to focus on one's own and do something about it. Its a bitch, I really am trying, but I slip into these patterns so subtly I often dont realize it until I get a wake-up call such as yours. So thank you. Lets see how long my memory lasts this time. I'll get there, its just a process to work on...

Hmmm. I never use my syn anymore. Never had a cold night in down. I even dry wet clothes in there and do okay. I use a bag that is 20 degrees. It has a zip off panel that makes it 0 degrees supposedly. Only need it in the winter on Rainier, etc. As long as I keep that layer unzipped, I can reliably dry my clothes while inside the bag. I think it only doesnt work in humid climates where moisture is not encouraged to diffuse away from your body. So Anywhere in the NW except maybe the olympics below the freezing level, down is my choice!!!! Au naturale!!!

this site become RC.com so here is the answer it is the one you not carry ahhhhh. I couldnt agree more. But they sure are tough to find in a downpour!!!!

Okay, lets hear the tales of woe. What piece of gear has been your biggest let-down. For me, its my gear sling. I just use the thing to keep the shit organized in my pack, but mostly to justify the purchase of one. If I ever aided, I might end up using it again while leading... Oh and cheapest, shoddiest gear would have to go to my 5.10 anasazi's. Its such a love/hate realtionship. The seams on the lining are completely f'ed. The heels pop off on less than vertical climbs in hot weather. But godddamn it, I still love em on overhanging, sport, an boulder problems. I think i keep em around cause spent 6 months breakng them in.

okay last post for the night. Have u tried using a thin lost arrow? I find them to work nice as a supplemental, or second nut tool (sometimes one tool aint enough for the ladies). Besides, it has the extra function of protection if you need it.

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i find keychain biners great for clipping gear that is not pro to my harness (ie nut tool, camera, nalgene) I prefer a nut tool with a flat sirface to strike with a hex for those stubborn nutz that my partner yanked on.

You said seam seem. haha.

another reason I try to avoid paying taxes. I dont want my money funneled into atrocities! Is that the only way we can lead the world? By carrying the biggest stick? What about leading by love and opportunity rather than fear. You catch more humans with honey than vinegar. Iraq: Bush did the vinegar route. China, Tienneman Square: More of the honey route Which has more lasting change? You cannot win hearts and minds by force. I wish history was still taught in congress. Now there's an idea.

Of course he feels no remorse. If he allowed himself to, it is likely he would have hung himself... He must be living a hell that you and I cannot even imagine, at least in dreams, the poor bastard.

ITs saturday morning. I can't sleep. So I'm curious. Most of my climbing dreams involve good friends from NC. Usually the dreams are pleasant adventures. Every now and then, they are more stressful. NEver do they involve falling or thoughts of danger and death, thank god. Thety are more about my relationships with my climbing friends. Sometimes, especially when camping at a crag or alpine spot, I will have dreams that night about the climbing the next day. I think its a previsualization process. Usually, stress is not invlolved in that case. I'm interested to hear others' experinces...

Sounds like a mix between good weed and mescaline. Have you read any Carlos Casteneda. What really struck me was the entire epidose with his friends and how the yard's scale expanded dramatically. Its funny. To this day, I still have recurrent dream themes about high school friends that alienated me. As much as my conscious, rational mind tells me that I am over this, obviously, I am still not entirely. The funny thing is, our 10 year reunion is coming up this fall. I really thought it would be a waste of time to go, but now, I am thinking maybe I should go to confront these issues. that way, I can have more dreams about climbing!

well done knelson. I bow to your wit, which overwhealms me with cynicism, hate, and self-destruction. Have fun storming the castle! Drum roll please!

hmmmm. This information saddens me. If we cannot change it from the inside, we must change it by exposing them for what they really are. The worst kind of criminals. A bunch of toblerone dealers. I'm going to make a sign and picket in front of the espresso cart everyday. The sign will read in really really really tint tiny letters. "Did you know REI pushes TOBLERONE on our Unsuspecting youth? sometimes, REI even sells BABY strollerS!!!!! And there is a dam below the waterfall, and now the swedish fish cant swim upstream to pop the chocolate covered cherries. Its a true corporate-retail-guised-as-a-co-op disaster! The toblerone wards at Harborview are filling faster than these kids can go into insulin shock and drink their mountain dews. Once, I saw one kid fall to his death at the REI pinnacle when he tried to belay with a keychain biner. If only they kept keychain biners production in america, the biner would have borne a stamp reading "not for climbing use". But instead it read, "made in China". seriously, why didnt the author of that artice interview Lloyd Anderson or Jim Whittaker? Why dont those guys take a stand against REI's sullying of its co-op roots? I think that is the saddest thing of all. They must have sold out and are getting money still from REI. Has anyone heard them lament at all about the fall of their gear-child??? I know T-baby, I know. Now drink your MILK!