Blake

I can't believe nobody is heading up from the Seattle area on friday... come on, carpool anyone?

what time saturday morning?

where was the loose rock on Frigid Air? I remember all of the non-scrambling sections being really solid. Nice TR, I'm sure that there are heaps of climbs down there which don't get climbed often, but are *** routes.

Anyone want to carpool up to WA pass on Friday afternoon or evening? I can drive or a be a passenger. I have a ski rack. If you are from the Seattle area, I'd meet you in Mt. Vernon, and we could leave a car at a friend's house there. -Blake

Anyone want to carpool up to WA pass on Friday afternoon or evening? I can drive or a be a passenger. I have a ski rack. If you are from the Seattle area, I'd meet you in Mt. Vernon, and we could leave a car at a friend's house there. -Blake

Anyone think that rock climbs at WA pass will be dry?

Where would THAT be?

why?

I wonder if someone could now pull out the mangled bolt and fill in that hole? Shouldn't be any reason not to, now that it is useless for climbing.

what?

Anyone else been paying attention to this guy? Last night in the debat he basically told the truth about why Bin Laden attacked us on 9-11 (a quoted by the CIA and Bin Laden himself) and he got attacked for it. Then Giuliani interrupt with this crowd-baiting emotional appeal and wins the biggest applause of the night! Anyhow, even for someone like myself that disagrees with some of his policies, its very refreshing to see a national politician more concerned with truth, reality, and convictions, than with winning sound bites and riling up the crowd of South Carolina GOP faithful.

it's vantage though! that's just index .10d... going climb the third pitch of NAD and tell me what was harder. nice job

Good point Rad, but if it's a budget issue, many of the (formerly) more popular roads that have been damaged are not managed by the NPS, so I don't believe that there is really a direct competition of funds between the projects. It's not as if Park Service repairs to the Stehekin Road would reduce funds for Forest Service repairs to roads near Glacier Peak.

I think it is a nice courtesy, if someone de-mosses and bolts a route, to let them have a shot at the FA. Some people might say "A shot" is one redpoint attempt, someone might say a week of training for it... Either way, the rock isn't really owned by anyone, so its definitely a grey area. Try and talk to the person who puts the bolts in, maybe the route is beyond their skills and they are looking for a better climber to finish their line.

In this case, it would be a road repair/reroute in small sections to maintain the access to a road which has been in place for over 100 years though. Sections of the upper Stehekin valley have had over 1000 people living there in the past, and vehicles were driven as far as Horseshoe Basin. Nothing close to this [historic] level of use has occurred for decades. This proposal is to restore road access to the 1990s level, which was extremely minimal, but permitted day hikes, out of Stehekin, to some of the amazing spots in the NCNP currently viewable only to the overnight hiker.

not a problem, i use bread crumbs. seriously people... someone must be going to buy SOMETHING there!

I have a $50 gift card to Best Buy, but I don't want or need any electronics, and it's been in my wallet for almost a year. Does anyone have an electronics purchases in mind that they were going to make at that store? (there are a few around the PNW) If so, I'd gladly email you the voucher #, or just mail you the card, if you'd pay me back part of the value in return. -Blake

It was cool to see you guys on the Grand Wall on Friday. I wish we'd had a camera. The sun coming out just as you hopped on the Split Pillar might have made for some choice photos.

No, the road was abandoned because it was built on a special right-of-way corridor through the wilderness area, that allowed people to bike and drive through that (100' wide?) corridor only. When the river changed its course and occupied all the width of that designated corridor, it became illegal to repair the road, because a repair would involved bikes and cars outside the historic right-of-way. The proposal is to move this corridor away from the river in just a few flood-prone spots. This would allow th road to be used, and the riverbank area to be designated as wilderness. It would result in no change, or a net increase, in total wilderness area in the NCNP. The road has been there for over a hundred years, and just a handful of cars, at most, used it each day. It's one-lane gravel, and not visible from any peaks around there. From 50 feet off into the forest on either side, you don't even notice it. Having this access point actually would decrease the use of other West side trail heads along Hwy 20 and Cascade Pass. Mikester, an exchange of differing viewpoints is healthy, but it sounds like you basically have no clue what is going on. My analogy would be, what if the Cascade River flooded out the cascade River Road in a spot 10 miles before the trailhead. Would you then see "no good reason to build a new [sic] road there"?

I heard (cimbers' grapevine) that the cables themselves are tensile-tested, but not the head, the braze, or the fully assembled piece. Basically they test the strength of the cable sections which they receive and don't manufacture.

Right on Don! I know that Doc Hastings (the US Rep) as well as both Senators from WA, are the ones that should be contacted. They can propose legislation that moves the road/construction corridor away from the river to a non-flood elevation. This would result in no net loss of wilderness area, and would make the land along the Stehekin River "wilderness designated" while allowing the historic access from the East side.

way to go on those clues, apart from a few questionable ones, it's done. I better win that free cake! one more: Early Analog Synthesizer M_ _ _

hmm... http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/17/tech/main593832.shtml

Murray, the british thing is the "special forces" not "secret Service" so it's SAS, not MI5. (plus the A works with "plaza" for Spanish Meeting Place) Would the workplace for these docs really be the IR rather than the Operating Room or Emergency Room? I was thinking something similar for the bubonic plague symptoms (roses, rosey) but I settled on "sores" which also fits and s more generic. You are dead on with "Princip", because Franz Ferdinand is the band in Question. Thanks!

B-ham pub club with free cake if I win then...