Another way of looking at it though, Matt, is that the real discussion is in there. sure there is noise, but people are getting it out of their heads and onto a board for other people to read...true, what is in their heads isn't always pretty, is full of noise, and is often uncivil...but at least there is communication. and we're lucky to have cc.com for that. in this thread there are some good, thought out posts..perhaps some people prefer the relaxed environment of spray to put their ideas out there.