mike1

Unless I have my terminology wrong I think we’re talking about two different things here. Spray and Flaming. A lot of both happen on this forum. What does it tell you when the most threads (15,604) and the most posts (318,653) end up in Spray? It tells me a lot of folks are not here to talk climbing. It’s become incidental to the real reason they’re here. That’s not really a problem, just an observation. Spray usually ends up where it belongs and can be avoided by those that want to avoid it. But the flaming... stop flaming and start respecting members and you’ll get what you give. It doesn’t accomplish anything except a heightened level of anger. I see a lot of sharp, well written members on this forum able to get their points across without flaming, but they do it anyway. It appears cowardly. Seriously, the way some of the folks here write to others they haven’t even met is shocking. If you talked that way to a person face to face you’d likely have a conflict, so you’re either always throwing down with people or you just do it online where it’s safe. Even if these folks are giving good advice they cast doubt on themselves by presenting it like an arrogant ass. If you can’t moderate your own flames then maybe it needs to be done for you.

Excellent boot! A little heavier than the boots ALL of my friends are wearing (Trango), but I bet my boots will out last theirs! I've been wearing ‘em for a few years now and have no complaints. Also, they fit narrower feet fairly well.

It was a mixed forest, mostly 50' and snow covered but a few OG's, fairly thick though we could see sky. I was on a rescue team when I picked it up and after talking to other team members the Magellan's seemed to maintain in trees better than Garmins. Of course that was years ago so I’m sure they all are better now. I use the MapTech Terrain Navigator to plot water proof maps at home for trips. Much nicer to have a custom map of exactly where you’re going and you can plot UTM or Lat. Long grids or what ever. Paper maps and compass will never run out of batteries.

Dude was talented, bummer... ya.

still my fave

I picked up a Magellan Sport Trek a few years back. Base model GPS no bells and whistles. Just played with it this weekend locating a cave up in the snow around Saint Helens. It picks up and maintains GPS in trees very well and is very easy to operate. We stored a point on the road and x-countried to the cave then compassed back to GPS point on road to within 10 feet in 1/4 mile. I throw a couple energizer lithium AA's in it and the unit barely weighs anything. EXTREMELY HAPPY with it! I highly recommend it unless you want all those maps and stuff. I just figure I’m carrying maps and a compass anyway so I wanted my GPS to be as small and light as possible, hence the lack of bells, whistles and horns...

Coopers Spur approach, Mt. Hood (Cloud Cap area and above). June Lake, Mount Saint Helens.

Great job EMR! Furthermore - For all you who volunteer for any of the MRA or SAR teams - Thank you! Thank you for leaving the B-B-Q and beer behind to head into an unknown mission, Thanks for getting up at 12:00 AM and working all night and the next day and the next night and... Thanks for all your committed hours of training and thanks most of all for doing all this because you want to. You're better than SWAT!

zacly! Would you concider that worn out?

Why do you think they watch the news? Why do you think they don't? Why are you debating this?

I think it’s a great idea to give out a basic level of information that informs people that they may need to get more information and training if they are going to be in an avalanche potential zone. Especially if their next question is, what is an avalanche zone? Is it a dream? Yes, it falls on the ethics of the shop owners. If they aint already doing it, then they probably aint gonna start now... On the other hand, I think it would be great if our local broadcasted weather reports gave a little more information about avalanche dangers when they exist. Not just saying there are high avalanche conditions today, but why and where, i.e., elevations and aspects for the mountain savvy. When the warnings come across the weather radio they take all of about 60 seconds. Coastal communities get wave reports for their surfers, same thing here. Makes sense to me that we all could benefit from that one. What’s the down side?

Well, I think I will contact the local news stations and climbing shops here in Portland to see what is being done now and talk about what improvements can be made.

I expect nothing less...

Natural selection cannot be ignored.

Happens to me at the beginning of the season but then they build up scar up and actually begin to protect. Maybe your friends had already past that point while you were only approaching it? Get back on the rock and see if it happens to your new scarred up man-hands! Also, had a thought that it might be related to hydration. Anyways, that's my $0.02

Maybe you can't and they die. You can't summarize avalanche procedures onto a flier - sorry America - it takes time and effort. Maybe that's what's on the flyer you hand them. Every avy class I took left me with the knowledge that I needed more avalanche training. I wouldn't propose that you could teach these folks everything they need to know, but a good stern warning to the dangers, where to get more information and some basic signs to look for could go a long ways. Better than doing nothing.

Years ago I had to repair mine. I acquired some of the same material on the shoes from REI, then went to ta local saddlery and picked up some high strength steel rivets. I applied the patch strip to the shoe with barge cement (recommended from my local shoe repair guy) from the top side over the tube and onto the bottom side then finished it with rivets through all 3 layers. Does that all make sense?

I am always amazed at how quick people are on this forum to pull out the sarcasm. The thing all of us neophytes heading into the snow have in common is gear from outdoor shops right? Avalanche edumication comes from videos, discussion, books, papers, web pages, and classes. I think classes are the most affective by far, but some problems with them are that they’re expensive, not advertised well, are few and far between, long, and class sizes can be very limited. I think you could get a lot of the basic information to people in a relatively short time if you could hit them at the gear shops. Especially if they’re renting BC skis or snow shoes! Okay, so the retailers offer a short avy class daily or weekly. But are you still missing the people that really need it? The people that THINK they already know what they need to know. How do you get to them? Could it be as simple as a flyer handed off with a purchases receipt? Can you sum up basic avalanche training on a one sheet of paper if you know that is their only chance to make the right decision?

And the best job in the world... Land Surveyor! Okay maybe not the best, but I like it!

I just googled "Denali Expedition 2008". Congrats, you guys are number 2! Way to represent...

omnigalactic-oneness

uh... yeah.

I'm a born skeptic, but there's definitely some more than coincidental shit happening here: Mayan Calendar

Excellent information >>gone<<

I've seen them get sharp from wear.