kitten

If you are spraying - doesn't that mean you are active?

How 'bout a compromise and watching your kid send something sick?? I have seen you sail up - your kids are going to give up or stomp you when they turn 9 years old.

I guess I wasn't clear enough. You are either visible & show your avitar in the "who's on-line" or you are anonymous. Why chose anonymous? This isn't a question aimed directly at you muffy.

Sex is like riding a horse for the afternoon. If done proplerly you will walk normally, if too hard - you will waddle the rest of the night. (sometimes that is good too )

everyone is visible and anonymous when they post. I don't mind being visibal, I just want to know who was in my profile Then why be anonymous? BTW it wasn't me in your profile Just curious why some people chose to show themselves online and others don't.

So again what is the point to marriage for you? Do you find yourself struggling with giving up your dream of doing some great first accent vs. watching the kids swim for the weekend?

Just a question??? What is wrong with being visible? It seems being anonymous presumes you have something to hide. Yes No

I've thought about it Thanks for the information. I think I have to work that weekend , I might change it with someone.

When is the bug fest? I think I understood this being on the weekend of September 7-8th - True?

Hey Sno~ YOu are right and I aplogize for blasting you. I did ask for opinions and yours is as valid as all the others. Take care and don't worry about me. I am doing those 'better things' that life has in store for me. Take care

I wouldn't take things I said out of context Having a 'heart to heart' with your woman is smart. It has to be a compromise. It is essential you communicate your needs and respect her or try to hear them at least. She may just want to spend time with you and doesn't know how to communicate it properly without sounding controlling or needy. A commitment and trust are key.

WTF is wrong with you people, and kitten I don't mean just you, it's just that your quote seems to sum it up. Have you nothing better to do or think about? I'd be laughing my ass off at you guys if you weren't so damn pathetic! Snoboy, I do have many things better to do and to think about. You may not know the entire situation and have no right to comment or call something pathetic when misinformed. I do agree that it seems minor in the light of life and pursuing one's dreams. But the questions was valid in terms of marriage, cheating, and abusing the space provided by a spouse. I hope it will never be a question of trust for you.

Great thought in light of this seasons injured list. Try visiting the local Fire Station or Search & Rescue Units.

what a narcissist. whe should be happy youlll hang out wit her ever. she better be giving you good loving or give her the boot. It takes two to have good lovin'... You still single???

I don't think you are dumb to ask these questions. I agree that we are VERY different and our needs are different as well. I enjoy lazy days and long walks. These are the things that I need to feel connected, appreciated, and closer to my partner. Men do need thier space and time to go climbing, hunting, and get dirty. What is the give & take? Finding the balance is the key issue to maintaining a marriage - along with trust, honesty, and great sex. You asked if you are being selfish - OF COURSE. When was the last time you stopped to think about "what could I say or do that would make my GF really happy?" I bet It doesn't take much. A litttle time and a lot of affection

After reading this thread I think I am going to return the engagement ring! Sorry you feel that way! I just wanted to get another perspective of what climbers considered commitment towards climbing and marriage. Best of luck - if you're serious

You don't fool me erik ~ happy smooth 'sailin'

So do you ever wonder what kind of cookie is in that jar?

This is an interesting point! I wonder if there is a catch??? Is it the trust in the person you question or the situation?

Dave ~ thanks for stepping up to the plate and sharing your true feelings. It is not an easy thing to do, although doing it on a computer does help. I guess that is why I put the question out there. NEXT QUESTION?????? Do you think it is inappropriate to do weekend routes with the opposite sex without your wife present?

Matt~ I think I should clarify. I have met a lot of great people (men and women) on this board. I have also come across my fair share of liars. I don't think that all climbers are dirtbags or that all dirtbags can't commit. It just appears at a distance that commitment to climbing is a more serious act to climbers than a commitment to a relationship. The line between needing to climb to fill the desire/ego is connected so tightly to the destiny of a marriage. Can there be a balance? I want to believe this! I recall a thread about someone thinking they were cheating on thier families by taking big risks - when is the risk too much? Are these standards up to the individuals or to partners in a long term committed relationship?

It is a very good question? Some days I believe that I am and others I am unsure. What about you? Actually this is not about me... I want to know why some people will stay with someone for life and others have to wonder? What is the draw to your partner? Why do you want a commitment or want to be single?

Marriage is just a connection of two people. In reagards to it being with a climber that is another story. It seems that climbing is a must in the 'climbing community'. And if asked not to climb for the benefit of a family, ect. that would be controlling and misunderstood. I for one have NOT asked my husband to stop climbing - never would. But there is something seriously lacking!

Really what is the point? Why did you get married - why do you AVOID it? Tell your story... I am beginning to think that most climbers are dirtbags Prove me wrong. Or just post your hate theads Jean W