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Thanks Toast! Bookmarked it! Cheers!

Hand drilling brings back some great memories..bang, twist, bang, twist...puff, puff, bang, twist... Much more satisfying and karmically correct than a power drill, though I have used both. Just sold my Hurricane, loved it, a sexy piece of debauchery it was. I still have my pika drill buried some place. I can look for it if yer desperate. Nothing more satisfying than a fresh drilled line.

Mt Charleston crash, pretty surreal up close. http://nvahof.org/_original_site/c54_crash.html

Could really just chop it and use the money for something more ethical? Starving kids, ravaged watersheds, native fish, innercity donations to help illiteracy programs or poverty,or Animal rescue. Redamaging a fragile ecosystem is, for me the furthest need from my mind.

Super intuitive but cool non the less.

I think JBC is spot on.

This sums it up perfectly. We waste an immense amount of resources just living. I want people to climb and have fun but make sure to mitigate as much damage and waste as you can to allow for the next (if there is) generation. You really are a brilliant one. This really is an entertaining thread. Thanks for helping demystify climbing in the new millenium

Have you always had this problem CB? All we want to do is climb and "respect the resource"...apparently that term is unfamiliar with you.

You are one toxic dude, a sad representative of todays climbing/world community.

I tried...you did not seem to understand.

I think you are mistaking an opinion in general, with a comment made about climbing style on particular route.

What amazes me is that you equate climbing ability with the ability to voice your opinion or have a say on a matter. In this case then...only people with wealth have a say, only famous people have a say, and finally only corruption is allowed to speak? Sorry state of affairs if this is how you perceive this topic and other people.

WWDCD?

Sadly, this year has been cruel for many in the climbing community. Natural diasters, untimely accidents, and old age have taken some memorable folks. The rest of us remain here awaiting our cue and doing what we can to pass the time and keep a smile on our faces. I admit my timing was a bit off and for that I do apologize. However, this does open up some interesting oportunities to re-evaluate ourselves and our views of the world around us. I have not posted on this board very often in recent years as climbing has taken a backseat to other pursuits. I remember in the 80s and 90s when I was 100% climbing obsessed and I thought I would ALWAYS be part of the community. Time marches on. In these days of dwindling resources and increasing population, climbing has become "popular" and crowds at the crags have multiplied massively. Groups such as Access Fund and a few local groups around the country work with land managers to find a balance that will allow us to keep on climbing. Their message is to be respectful and law abiding to each other and the non climbing community in order to keep the crags open and the ecosystems that surround them, protected. Well traveled and/or "famous" climbers have the responsibility to set examples for the up and coming generation and to the non climbing public. Climb hard, crank the rad, be Extreme is the mantra for all the teens entering the climbing world today, numbers are king, 5.15, V15...etc. Our resources are limited and looking at the impact of folks today from the "Pad people" to the mega sport bolters, illegal ascents, and chopping trees for a better view have become much more common and even accepted. We have to find a balance. This is my viewpoint, I respect anyone that makes the conscious choice to do the right thing. You can be a bad ass, and a poster child for the crags and the environment, many climbers follow this route and live under the radar doing the right thing where ever they go. Thanks for your time and lets work together to keep our community respected and respectful. Dave

We all do what we do. My condolences for your friend. sickie

RIP Dean. You were a pioneer and explorer. A true original. I never sought to follow in your footsteps, but that doesn't make you any less inspiring. Fly free. Hey CCers, let's not recycle the trash of the comment boards around the interweb. Respect deserves respect. Here here! I agree totally, my comments were out of context and not pertinent to the thread at hand. I will go ahead and replace my post with something more suitable. My deepest apologies.

We all flow from one fountain Soul. All are expressions of one Love. God does not appear, and flow out, only from narrow chinks and round bored wells here and there in favored races and places, but He flows in grand undivided currents, shoreless and boundless over creeds and forms and all kinds of civilizations and peoples and beasts, saturating all and fountainizing all. - John Muir

Everybody needs beauty as well as bread, places to play in and pray in, where nature may heal and give strength to body and soul. - John Muir

Really? yeah but thanks for your effort. I did multiple searches using Uncle Tricky/Diedre/Squamish...etc. Nothing came up so i assumed it had been moved to an obscure location or removed totally.

Sweet man, thank you very much! /bows