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I checked it out once. It's a lot nicer than you would guess from the outside appearance and the cheesy sign. Usually it's karoake, and there are some pretty talented people who come in. You should check out the Green Dragon on 101 and Aurora too Unfortunately I will miss Hot Buns Night: have to work.

It will be "Hot Buns" night at the RickShaw...

Either way a buncha pirates are gonna win. Goddamn pirates. http://pratt.edu/~alexrich/ninjas/movies/ninja2.html

I don't know about that Bill... I would rather be sitting, your center of gravity is much lower to the ground, less chance of being pulled forward on your feet. If you are sitting it's their weight versus your weight plus the friction between your body and the ground. And you have three points of contact rather than just two... (On 'Man VS. Beast' the other night a 180lb female Orangutan beat a 360lb Sumo Wrestler at tug o' war. The Sumo was standing and got pulled forward off his feet, the Orang was lying on her back and pulling with arms only. Not really related but an interesting contest nonetheless.) I've been in situations when it's OK to stand, but my opinion is that sitting would be better. Matt what do you think? Anyone else on sitting vs. standing?

Yeah, it was just too difficult to describe situations of "care" and carelessness. I didn't want to get into a thread debate explaining each poll option and going into the kind of minute details that would be necessary to make a decision in many situations. The "well away from" condition was used to break it down into deciding how large of an object to belay from behind, given that other conditions are fairly safe. No offense taken to questions or criticism.

I see you are earning your tail jja...those stripes are coming in nice already.

If I were good and drunk right now I would be doing something more exciting than reading this site...which reminds me-I should get a beer.

A somewhat higher level than Lost Vegas.

Red Rocks is nearby...

Then you know Sheaf rocks, right? Do you like to suck down longnecks?

Then why does it come in big manly bottles and with a brain buzzing alcohol content? Your sissy Irish blackwater is light beer in disguise-Sheaf is a meal.

Sheaf Stout (mocking you)

Matt: I am not attempting to set any standards or rules here, I am just trying to find out how most people feel about this sort of belay and where they feel safe being belayed from. (I already know where I am comfortable and where I'm not, but I'm interested in other's safety standards.) The distance from top of pitch thing was included because generally people feel more comfortable in this situation when there is a little distance between themselves and vertical stuff. Obviously I do not follow the distance from top of pitch stuff as a black and white rule, it was just an attempt to describe a situation and find out where people stand. It is difficult to communicate the sort of info needed to make a choice in this poll; there are a lot of variables. To add snow options would make it even more ridiculous-what if the snow is soft and wet? Or too icy to dig into? Bill-thanks for your input as well.

You were right to have said something to those people SnoBoy, and it's a shame they chose to treat you badly. When a dangerous situation arises because of carelessness (rope not through biner, harness not double backed, etc.) it is proper for a stranger to speak up. When it's a personal safety choice (free soloing, unclipping on a ledge, wearing cotton on an alpine climb, running out the gear, climbing with a ring on, not taping up) strangers have no business saying anything unless the people appear to really, truly not know any better.

No CBS, he's a USFS worker, that's the problem. ABBA

I don't get it: why does anyone care if a stranger climbs with a ring on? It's a personal choice. I'm sure any adult (a child is a different situation of course) knows that jewelry can be hazardous in athletics: it was drummed into our heads in every gym class and little league growing up. I wouldn't do it because I don't like the potential consequences, but if someone else wants to take that risk let them do it in peace. I wouldn't tell a stranger not to solo a climb because they might fall and die, it's their choice to take that risk. I am sick of people giving little "tips" and warnings at the crags. If a knot is tied wrong, a rope is seriously abraded or a harness is partially undone then say something, otherwise shut up. Recently someone cornered me at the base of a route and "warned" me that I would HAVE to wear tape gloves in order to climb the route. They looked at me with very disapproving eyes when I told them that I have never worn tape gloves and had no need for them that day. Both the ring and the tape gloves are personal choices on minor safety issues and I don't see any reason for strangers to bring them up. I don't blame them for their attitude toward you Erden, especially since you brought it up twice.

Have you advertised in the Stranger? You'll probly find better roommates there.

Wasn't there an editorial in 'Climbing' that was just like this? It was mocking the Euros I believe. Still funny though, 'specially Nomi the Commies post.

Beautiful man.

When asked whether or not he enjoyed the musical stylings of rapper Nelly, Fred gave this response: "I just tune it out. (shrug and smile) I'd rather watch a naked girl play the violin." That is priceless. Happy Birthday Fred.

I wasn't addressing you because I had nothing to say to you. I still don't: you're boring. -Bye the way I realy hope you dont homescool.

I didn't say anything to you-you little baby sprouting sperm depository!

I thought you were gonna quit and go kick your dog, then Muffy shows up and you're tough again? Do you call that SATIRE too? I call it being a bitch.

Then why do you play with Trask? And Trask why do you only get guts when Muffy shows up in your defense? Sounds like you're the one who's whipped here.