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I think that Tex and Fejas are displaying the same sort of cavalier attitude that leads to accidents. I personally don't give a turd if you eat dirt because you messed up in your desire to hurry back to your car, but you endanger others. Imagine, if you can, a person weighing 180lbs falling on top of you from 100ft. You'll wish they had have spent the extra 5 seconds double-checking their rap system when you get your wheelchair. Regarding your helmet slam, one of the most common causes of major injury in climbing related accidents is the absence of a helmet. I ALWAYS wear my helmet.

Jason's point, IMHO, and I agree, is that lowering off chains is most certainly not safe. You degrade the material that you are counting on to keep you off the deck. The last time I went to Vantage, we found "Rap Anchors" that were so chewed through from people lowering off of them that 50% of the original material was missing. I call that unsafe, rather than inconvienent.

I started this thread in Spray because I felt that the seperate forum might prevent any extra grief, and that posting this type of info in a thread in response to an accident has traditionally been seen as lacking in tact. I have seen a partner rap off the end of a rope, I have also seen a partner set up a rap without actually threading the ropes through the anchor. Thankfully, both times, no one got seriously hurt. I personally had an experience where I moved to disconnect my daisy from the anchor and suddenly realized that I had not put myself on rappel. Unlike the rest of climbing, where you can most times get away with small mistakes, if you make a single mistake rappelling, you deck.

I figured I start this thread in spray.... Rappelling is dangerous. WAY more dangerous than any other climbing related activity, even free-soloing, IMHO. Double-check your anchor. Double-check your harness. Double-check your belay device. Double-check the condition of the rope. Double-check that the rope is fed properly through the anchor. Double-check that the rope is fed properly through your belay device. DOUBLE-CHECK YOUR PARTNER!!! Double-check everything again. Say goodbye to your freinds and loved ones and start rappelling. IF YOU CANNOT SEE THAT BOTH ENDS OF THE ROPES ARE TOUCHING THE GROUND, DO NOT RAPPEL UNLESS YOU HAVE KNOTS TIED IN THE END OF EACH ROPE!!!! IF YOU ARE THE LEAST BIT UNSURE AS TO WHETHER THE ROPE ENDS ARE EVEN, DO NOT RAPPEL!!!! Bring the ropes up, make sure they are even, and try again. If you are unsure as to whether you can maintain control of your descent, learn how to attach and use a back-up. If you choose to ignore ANY of the above guidelines, you may deck. If you choose to obey ALL of the above guidelines, you STILL may deck. The main lesson: DON'T RAPPEL. And if you do, DON'T FUCK UP. -J

Where's the obligatory pic of Mike smoking cigarettes and drinking beer? WHAT KIND OF TR IS THIS????

Mixed climbing was both, now it's neither. And I SO wanted to hang upside-down from both feet at the crux of my latest alpine test piece.

Get a job. You make me ill, with your permanent vacation B.S.

I just back from some serious work on the Crapper, where I had a great idea for a new anime cartoon show: "Trask Force Five"

I hear they make you bring your own cookie.

"...w-w-well, it's um it's it's it's um it's usually um tw-tw-tw-twenty and um f-f-forty, but I-I-I-I-I've had a s-s-s-slow night so I-I-I'll do it f-f-for a f-fiver. And um that's f-f-five EACH....not f-f-five f-for ALL of you guys"

They did a pretty Rockin' cover of Minor Threat's "In My Eyes", better than the original, IMHO.

1/2 cup liquid dish soap should do the trick.

Orifice Fish: Funny on a number of levels

Well, seeing as the petroglyphs were made by members of an ancient culture, she is climbing on rare, ancient artwork. Bullshit, IMHO. Plenty of other climbs to do elsewhere, without damaging (destroying) archeological atrifacts.

How do you feel about the petroglyphs she's climbing on? And we wonder why people limit access to climbing areas???

...two more liebacks, and the flake will blow. Gotta love Chukanut sandstone!

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I got a pair o' the Camps, great over sneakers, and on snow and such, but I'd be reluctant to use them on a longer route with a significant amount of mixed terrain. It doesn't take much to dull the points. I'd take the extra weight for the toughness of steel

Hi Trask

"Angel of Death" - Slayer (Defined the Thrash genre) "An Offering" - Neurosis (Heaviest song ever recorded) "March of the S.O.D." - S.O.D. (Intro. riff for the Old Head Banger's Ball)

ONE! MORE!! TIME!!!!

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