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nice... just what is needed. The Alpine Starter set for only $100 + s&h. How helpful. You'll soon be soloing big mountain routes.

Went up there to check it out yesterday and found a pair of gloves. PM me with an ID of them and we'll find a way to get them back to you.

great info... thanks mike...

Alex, thank for the info. I will be checking it out for fun anyway. Your input has been helpful here and in many threads. Philonius, get over yourself. Your information is interesting, but lose the hostility. I am only questioning the situation. The only thing that I have said is bogus is the editing that I thought was over the top.

Not having an answer I can understand. The questions are still there. I also saw what Lummox wrote and didn’t feel that it was worthy of being deleted and it did ask the right question. It was overzealous to censor the questions that more than one of us had.

Lambone.. back off.. I am not looking for a spray-fest about bolts. I am not anti-bolt. I live near Exit 38 and most of my climbing is sport climbing on choss with too many bolts. Alex reported a climb that I have specific questions about. Yes, I am interested in the route. As a weak-ass ice/mixed climber, you might even find me on it. But I think that the questions still are valid and I would like a little history on it. Bolting is part of climbing. And so are the ethical and access issues that go along with it. You can’t edit that all away because you get to be a moderator on a website. Sticking your head in the sand is stupid.

Jason. I respect your opinions and your book (which I did buy last night)… and I’m not convinced that anything wrong was done yet, but to play the devil’s (Lummox) advocate.. That is some interesting info on the background of the area, but doesn’t answer a single question of the above. Is it ok to bolt a previous line because it chossy, low-angle, slabby or run-out and because there isn’t going to be any sport climbing developed nearby? Or is it OK because it’s 38 and happens to be 10 miles away from “real” climbing? I’m a bolting advocate, and based on the info given, this makes even me nervous…

Why is this thread so heavily edited? I think Lummox had a valid point. I think that what Alex says happened up there warrants a question or two. 1. Was this an established line? Had it been lead climbed already, or just toproped? 2. Who retro-ed it? The FA? Was the FA asked? I’m not saying that it wasn’t appropriate, esp. if the line was just toproped previously or the FA put it up. Also, it is just an Exit 38 “park”. But it’s a pretty slippery slope. Wasn’t it just said that retroing a line on Denny would be inappropriate? What’s the diff?

cool... thanks.... and I will buy the book too.

Am I missing where the directions are on the page? Or is this just an advertisement?

How much music do you get on 128mb??

Dan is a man of many talents?

I went for a run up Little Si yesterday and noticed a huge rockslide just past the climbing areas. I haven't been up there for a least a year or so, but this looked pretty fresh. Anybody know when this came down? It wasn't where anyone climbs, but it wasn't far away.

I just had to change from comcast cable to Centurytel dsl because i moved just out of the cable area. The cable was much faster than the DSL that I have now.

for those that have climbed Rainier in winter, what is your favorite route? fastest? easiest? least objective hazard?

surfing at La Push

Thx.... you're right.. it was the Barry crash I was thinking of

That's the one... anyone know wher I can find it???

Anyone still have that photo of Lance all road rashed and bloody after a fall last year? I've been searching and unable to find it.

Leaving the grind is not so bad.. the boss doesn't even seem to care... that's just another reason to go. I want something that will pay the bills but not eat me up inside... Got to remember... the job is not real life... it's just so we can eat and go enjoy real life

That TR just made me go in the bosses' office and give my notice. Seriously. Been mulling it over for a while.... this place is not good for the soul. I need to go climbing Thanks for the relief.

It's been corrected to 1 death on the German team.... not from wind, but avalanche

Climbed some newer stuff on the Other Side on wednesday... some wet spots but not too bad... typical PNW sport climbing... with a helluva lot of bolts.

Pocketknife, Vicoden or Percocet and some gauze.... what else do you need?