hey you new to b'ham people, find the "new traverse" in Jason's book or ask around down there. it is a pretty interesting longish problem complete with upside down no hands rests and sketchy ass landings that could knock you out and toss you into the water, hopefully drowning you. not the best place to go by yourself but a good project. i think the whole thing is reated v4 or so. see you down there and if you could bring some eye candy, or brain candy the beta will flow freely.