JoshK

Later man, I'm off to do something better with my time. Have fun arguing with the rest of the guys on here.

Nope, I'm done yelling at a brick wall. Feel free to reply and say something about how I concede the point to you and I was wrong and all that. I'm going to go do something better with my time now...

Ugh, you really don't read. I repeat again: there are plenty of ways to show factual numbers to prove one point or another. You can use the same numbers to prove completely opposite points. I forget the damn expression about statistics: something like there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. and get a new insult moron. answer my fucking question...do you even climb?

Ahhh, that makes you an expert. You should go back and read your textbooks again,then, because your ass is showing. I'm hardly an expert, but I obviously know more than you.

Re-read my post you moron. I addressed your very reply. I SAID I KNOW HE WAS IN A WAR ZONE. A WAR ZONE OF OUR OWN CREATION AND INABILITY TO DO WHAT WE SAID WE WOULD: BRING STABILITY. You don't know what the hell you are talking about, give it up. As AlpineK pointed out there is a reason none of the conservatives on here are backing up. I argue all the time with fairweather, GregW et al, and while we may be on totally opposites of the political spectrum, at least I am arguing with intelligent people who actually have a clue on world matters. Also, if you dont think "statistics" can be played to your advantage, go back to civics class. The state department is headed by a bush appointee and is there to conduct foreign affairs as the president sees fit. In other words, it's a political and partisan driven machine. I'll leave it to your brilliance to go figure out a million and one ways you can make various numbers show whatever you want.

Of course it is...nothing is sacred on the web. I feel so bad for his parents, having a video of your son's beheading made public. What a terrible way to go. And the dude was young, only 26 or something.

God you're an idiot. You're the moron that didn't even know what the geneva convention was yet you are aruging about the rights and wrongs of prisoner abuse. Dont give me shit about being young cause they taught me about the geneva convention in my history class. Just answer my question: do you actually climb or have anything worthwhile to post here, or are you just here to spray about george 2 bush and his criminal compatriots?

Yeah, what Klenke said. It has a warning before you play the "video" and it's a still shot as far as I could tell also. I wouldn't post something that actually showed a beheading without warning, so I must be missing something, or did you click on another link?

Jon / Timmy, why can't we just ban him? Its obvious he is either somebody's avatar or just a dick trying to get attention since his pimply ass can't get laid to save his life. He obviously supports the kind of "democratic" leaders who illegal detain people without charges or access to counsel. I think the irony of simply tossing his ass would be poetic.

!! Yeah, I was laughing too! Isn't that good news! Can you honestly say you feel safer now as an American both domestically AND traveling abroad then you did 10 years ago? Fuck no. You are one ignorant son of a bitch. Why dont you go take a look at that article I just posted about poor Nick Berg. I'm sure if he was here he'd spit on you and the state department's distortion of statistics. And don't give me shit about how he was in a war zone. We created that war zone and we sent our citizens to fight there. Both he and the other private citizens there can't do their jobs safely since our mission to "liberate" Iraq has simply inflamed the whole region and cause their citizens to hate us even more.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4953015/ I can't even imagine...what horrendous people. People like the resevists torturing prisoners and these sick fucks need to be sent to a special place where they can enjoy each others company.

Yeah, I came to the conclusion on this trip that sideslipping that entire sherpa glacier coulior on skis is still better than downclimbing the thing.

The idea that Israel is a threat to the Arab Leauge is idiotic. Israel has never done anything besides defend it's borders and attack installations directly affecting it's national security. The only land they have ever occupied was won during wars started by the arab states. A good portion of that has also been given back in exchange for peace. Let us remember that one of the main reasons Iraq never got nuclear weapons was that Israel destroyed their nuclear weapons program in the 1980s. I would absolutely support them doing this to Iran's facilities. When you have significant arab leaders spouting out this agressive talk about "leaving nothing on the ground" in Israel then I believe they have no choice, imminent threat or not. Knowledge gained with a nuclear weapons program is knowledge that remains in that state even if facility destruction sets them back. The arab states of the middle east have already proven their resolve to attack israel without provocation several times before. In their current state they can't be trusted in any way, and allowing them to continue to develop nuclear weapons would be criminal negligence.

Dude, if you haven't noticed, everybody gave up arguing with you. It's obvious you don't have a clue what you are talking about. It must be easy forming your political beliefs on what your parents tell you, huh? Also, do you even climb, or are you just here to be a dipshit? For someone that doesn't know what I'm talking about, I didn't have much trouble proving you wrong, did I? Damn, that must be embarrassing. What have you proven wrong, again? The only thing I have seen you do is call people "moonbats" whatever the fuck that means and repeat to yourself over and over that rumsfeld did nothing wrong. If you would pull your head out of your ass you'd notice that your beloved fucking president reprimanded him!!!

Dude, if you haven't noticed, everybody gave up arguing with you. It's obvious you don't have a clue what you are talking about. It must be easy forming your political beliefs on what your parents tell you, huh? Also, do you even climb, or are you just here to be a dipshit?

Wow, must be from avy accumulation. The last two years I have been up there and there is nothing for the first 1000 feet, and that was in april. My parents told me that once upon a time the winters were cold, so maybe that was the deal... Here is a picture of the bottom of snow gulch. I have circled in red the general area to look. When we were there it was marked with some orange flagging. It isn't the easiest thing to find, and to call it a trail would be stretch, but it is a rough path through the brush that involves very little true bushwhacking.

Yeah, I'll look for a pic. MattP, when was that picture you posted taken? The snow cover is all the way down to the bottom, that's awesome! No wonder it was outstanding!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4944094/ Here is a summary of an International Red Cross report on Iraqi prison abuse. I suppose the question is you belief bush & rumsfeld or the international red cross. If you believe the former, I guess you just can't be helped...

Not surprisingly she looks really good in the professional photos and fairly run-of-the-mill in the snapshots. So, does she actually climb, or is she just a seven summits slogger? In the professional photos she is hold some technical tools and looks precisely like she doesn't know how to hold them Damn, this shit is too funny.

It was still a coverup. Despite that they quietly mentioned that they were investigating, nothing ever came of it and they shuffled the final findings underneath the rug. If you don't think it's a coverup, our asshole president would disagree with you! He's the one that didn't get notified and was rightfully pissed about it.

Yeah, check out the TR in the north cascades forum (accidentally posted it there). We climbed the ice cliff and skied the sherpa. awesome day!

I've asked this a bunch of times, but nobody replies...who the hell is annabelle?

Torturing or humilating prisoners is a violation of the geneva convention. As somebody aruging anything about a secretary of defense, you should know this.

Translated as: "I'm really too stupid to form my own opinion, so I'm just going to repeat what I read on NAMBLA What the fuck is NAMBLA? Yeah, it's my opinion that he is an asshole and a terrible descretary of defense. I formed that just fine, thanks. So you support Rumsfeld? Ha...fucking moron. So, what makes a good Secretary of Defense? Well, we could start with somebody that doesn't feed us lies and doesn't cover up violations of the geneva convention.