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Ain't that the truth. There is nothing like a big stick to keep the folks in line. do you mean anyone among the ~70%, who think we should give inspections a real chance? I suspect that by this standard voting with one's feet is mob rule.

quick, time to buy! Amazon recorded their second ever quarterly profit in 8 years of operation. It's a for sure sign of things to come and become filthy rich .....

keeping non-climbing related topics in spray makes sense. I am not necessarily arguing for keeping all tangents out of climbing related discussions since it is often the natural way people interact but the ceaseless stream of insulting one liner is often not funny and more importantly prevents some from contributing. I think the bottom line is that a climbing board, although centered around the discussion of climbing, can have different functions. Providing a flexible platform for these different needs to be expressed is key but difficult to accomplish (thanks tim and Jon, and moderators for taking your jobs very seriously)

What a tragedy, 7 people lost in a 2.5. It just sounds incredible but it does underline the importance of terrain traps in making a moderate size slide into a major killer. I suspect we should not be too greedy this year. My sympathy to all those personally affected by this.

welcome to the real world economy!

what do they do with themselves while we are playing in the woods? are they not using the infrastrusture and public services paid for by all?

oops! I used to boulder there in the mid 90's and apparently forgot about it oops again! I see that someone already totalled the bill.

not very important but it's probably ice coming down the Okanogan and Columbia valleys. My guess is the Methow glacier probably never made it to Pateros.

nice site. The cuba libre wall looks pretty cool. "The final roof is split by an off-width section, which Luebben climbed by jamming his feet above him, cutting loose his hands, and reaching through to the next handjam. On his first attempt, with a crowd of campesinos taking a break from cutting grass with machetes watching, Luebben let out long, gruesome screams as he hung from his feet. Then, he fell. It appeared to all that he had been stuck in the crack. Wrong. His slippers were stuck, just as he wanted them to be, but he was slowly, inexorably slipping out of the shoes. Luebben returned to the ground, switched to lace up shoes, and completed the first ascent." and it sounds like Caveman would be right at home: "Cubans are blunt, witty, spontaneous, resilient, and openhearted. They shout across courtyards and streets every detail of their daily emotions and calamities. It's in-your-face living; not for the timid or bashful."

peshastin, beacon rock, steamboat rock, any more? part or all of index eventually should become one

has anyone figured out the total cost in fees to sustain our parking and access habit? state parks, national parks (rainier, ?), snow park permit, demo fee, what else?

so, did you climb there? is there much rock?

would this explain why so many that have climbed it still seem totally clueless

haha

is that all? I fully expected you to engage into a little "who has the longest dick" or something of that sort.

I am just having a little fun.

and why is it obvious? is it your climbing the mighty North Face of Chair which gives you such insight and confidence?

look who's talking.

what do you mean?

yep, good work everyone. I am jealous. I am not going to argue I was right, because I may well have been wrong As someone pointed out, the inversion fluctuated through the week. The temp gradient seems to have peaked the day before we were having the exchange you are referring to. As we were talking it seems like a high pressure was settling over eastern washington which reestablished a decreasing temp. gradient with elevation. It sounds like conditions were optimum by friday and started 'deteriorating' again yesterday. Anyhow, it's an interesting topic and perhaps someday we might be able to determine how strong of an inversion is acceptable for climbing the snoqualmie peaks, how do alpental temps correlate with Chair peak temps, etc ...

EPA softens protection of wetlands: "Pollution or habitat destruction in virtually all waters of the United States are regulated under the Clean Water Act," said Eric Eckl, a spokesman for the group American Rivers. "We believe that [the EPA rule-making initiative] will serve as a test of the political waters for removing those protections from ephemeral or intermittent streams, isolated wetlands, and manmade waters such as ditches, canals and ponds." "There is no legal or scientific justification for legalizing pollution in waterways that have been protected for three decades," said Nancy Stoner, director of the Natural Resources Defense Council. "The Bush administration doesn't seem to understand that all of our waters are connected. If you allow corporate polluters to dump toxic waste in creeks, it will flow into our rivers and threaten our drinking water." "The clock is ticking," said Illinois state Rep. Karen May (D-Highland Park), who unsuccessfully sponsored legislation to create an Illinois wetlands protection law last year. "Each year that goes by, wetlands can be filled in with no mitigation, causing an exacerbation of flooding, a detrimental effect on our water quality and our natural ecosystems. We are losing what is left." http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-0301110237jan11,0,258186.story

I am not going to respond to all that you say because everybody knows you'll write another couple of pages of nonsense no matter what anyone says. I'll just take one example: I observe that regulation of CFC to reduce ozone depletion is an example of environmental mayhem that could not be addressed by the dynamics of the free market. and this your response: well for starters here is 2002 scientific assessment from the scientific committee of the United Nation: http://www.unep.org/ozone/pdf/execsumm-sap2002.pdf the assessment of the National Academy of Science: http://www.ncseonline.org/NCSEconference/2000conference/Chafee/ the assessment of the EPA: http://www.epa.gov/ozone/ the assessment of the world meteorological organisation: http://www.wmo.ch/web/Press/Press679.doc bottom line 1: complying with CFC regulations is essential to repairing the ozone layer bottom line 2: you are a crackpot and you are wasting my time.

He can't. If he did he could not drown us with his convoluted brand of logic and cliches.

you are so eager to bash that you didn't even realize I was answering RobBob. So what were you saying?

you are such a crackpot. You standard of proof for all intent and purpose does not exist in science. you are blind dude! the logging industry only adjusted to continued corporate subsidies and has kept cutting disappearing stands of quality trees. And its only one example. if you think we'll be able to continue wasting energy the way we have been doing once oil is gone, you are dreaming! So what does it tell you? there is no tomorrow and you don't care? etc ...