RuMR

sorry i offended your tender ears, it was in response to the term "sport monkey", somewhat insulting...as you said, most likely not .11d...Try to hear what i was saying...the place was made for steeper hard climbing (i know hard is relative)...ratings under mid 12 are a joke there...no one's arguing that... And it is Ronald McDonald Play land...You ever have any fun as a kid????? That's what its for... Just editing...guess i flung first insult w/ "trad geek"...my bad...

it was cool to meet neversummer! HOWDY...

ahh this is a pointless debate, i'm going to bed... if you want to come up and check/aid/climb some REALLY COOL SHIT THAT'S SUPER fun w/ big falls and clean air, i'll be stoked to show you irregardless of what you and i might think the rating really is!!! goodnight pope

How do you sport-monkeys measure the difficulty of a particular 5.13? How many weeks it takes to aid....oops, I mean, "work" the moves? Ok...the burdo grades are off easily by a factor of 2 -3 letter grades...but that's brian...and he wrote the guide book and pumped his own routes... hahahaha...there's ez aid and there's bitch hard aid right? How's bout maybe when you're "working" or aiding or pussifying (or whatever term you choose to use for getting through) the move your tendon blows????? Maybe you lose 4 months to a year of hard climbing (or aiding in your world )...would that be consider hard or just a little tough? And often times working these routes is on lead on the "wussy" bolt (because the pitch is too long for topropes, etc., sorry dwayner) , even though you facing 35 to 40 foot whips each time you try a wrong "aid" move...granted, its on bolts, its overhanging, etc. etc. etc. but its easy to just rip an effort from the couch... you guys crack me up...shit, whoohoo walk some stupid .11 and then slander the place and duck the ball by saying "ahh gee, i'm not going to work/aid/lower myself to try some of the really stellar climbing there, cuz its just too hard"... fucking a kill me...

i'm not sayin' they're not soft in the low grades...they are a complete joke...but that is not what WW1/2 is known for... But why don't you come up and try some of the really stiff routes at ww1...and then we can discuss the "appropriateness" of the ratings... Oh...and that smiff route musta been a real toughy?! What was the route please??? Shit like rainy day and crap like that doesn't count...that wall/rating doesn't begin to get right until 12+/.13- ratings...

where were you???????????????????? ANd the sheep f'er?????????? WAS HE HELPIN' GREG W/ HIS LAUNDRY...........WHATTHEFOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One of my partners climbed there a bunch before moving out here and has told me some stories about some very taxing "5.9" climbs there. A strict linear order is probably unattainable, so how about rough groupings: Stiff: Seneca, WV Index, WA Joshua Tree, CA Squamish, BC About right: Leavenworth, WA Smith Rock, OR Soft: Vantage, WA Exit32/38, WA Red Rocks, NV you trad geeks flippin' kill me...why don't you try some of the harder routes up at 32 and then come tell me about how ez they were for the grade... oh, squamish --> soft in general...

Ummm....seneca is sandbag central

Is that Muffy?????????? right color hair!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Me, venezualan frankster, erik, jdog...gregw was supposed to go, but bailed to do laundry

we are already goin'! Where have you been? Gettin' lit out back??? Sheesh...

little si ww1 be there...or go do laundary?

don't you have some kind of appointment??? Hairdresser's??

always do!! plus i gots lots o' room for pizza...food of the gawds and all o' that!!

don't drink...bad genetics

dood...read yo' pm's

isn't that across the street from the laundromat???

oh there will be NO hangin' on bolts...maybe some huge freakin' lobs!, but no hangin... Why don't you come up?

No...I'm hasslin' somebody and you keep gettin' in the way...

"SHE" ????

Seein' the source...i'd expect a peach WHINE cooler!!!!!!!!

how about a laundromat????????

hahaha