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joey joey joey, you should go back to hex machine nuts...they take a lot more skill to place than the newer stuff... goddamn u are an arrogant fuck...

you don't know anything about me...bitch!

ROTFLMAO with a pin, no less... Until you've replaced a bunch of bolts of varying ages I'd say you don't really know what you're talking whether the discussion is bolts or pins. And to the degree that the line of bolts in the photo doesn't bother folks is exactly the degree the climbing has become simply another risk-free entertainment alternative on par with Six Flags. But then a bunch of you do sound like risk-free is first and foremost what it's all about for you... joseph, feel free to continue installing fixed gear where you deem it appropriate...and continue to install inferior systems using all of your skill to bring it up to snuff...now wait, what was the reason for the fixed gear in the first place? I forgot.... BTW...Disneyland is celebrating its 50th!?! WOOFUCKIN'WOOHOOO!!!

i've replaced and installed and chopped a ton of bolts...in competent rock with good installation and proper sealing an expansion bolt will flat out perform better in the long run than a pin... so keep talking...you don't know a thing about me...i'm responding to your posts and their content...YOU are making assumptions about me and then filling in the blanks...

i always take "bouldery" as "unprotected"...ie you are bouldering for a ways at the grade of the route until you can get sumpin' in...

totally an urban legend...

ROTFLMAO with a pin, no less...

Well, at twenty years you didn't start climbing before sport climbing by any means which was well underway by '85. You did beat gyms by eight years but the influence is the same regardless. People have been basically clipping bolts so long that they now simply require that absolute, that the variability of pins that I happen to love simply makes the majority of today's climbers uneasy. It's about black and white versus grey. About industry vs. art. I have no problem at all if I end up the last person stillholding that perspective... i said OVER 20 years...not 20 years...and the places i started at were (and for the most part still are) trad...

so you confirm that this is NOT an urban legend?

20 feet...

i started climbing before gyms...and before sport climbing...but your point was?

blah blah blah the rest of the world is crazy and i'm sane blah blah blah blah blah

then i will send a PM to poop, dwanus, and whackJoseph to let them know that their is a new free route to climb on....

no doubt about that...i haven't a clue as to what you are babbling about... I've been climbing for over 20 years so i'm not a spring chicken and have been around my fair share of fixed mank...both in the west coast and all over the east coast... You yourself in your previous post said "and that not all pin placements are as bomber"...My point is this: IF YOU LEAVE GEAR BEHIND, MAKE SURE THAT IT IS SUFFICIENT TO WARRANT THE MESS YOU'VE JUST CREATED. you wanna argue with that, go right ahead...but you are certifying yourself as a whackjob in my book and i will cease this discussion with you...

so...let me get this straight...you are willing to leave behind as a fixed piece, something that isn't all that great? that is/maybe is suspect? and causes damage if its replaced? hmmmm...seems to me that you like retro shitty technology...have at it, ol' boy...by your logic, you should ditch your little rack of sliders as often times they are actually more effective than a piece of shit pin that's been through a few seasons and you can remove them... my $0.02, if you are gonna leave a mess behind, make it a worthwhile mess that actually works... but whatever floats your boat...a quick recommendation though, lose your kernmantle rope and go with an old gold line...might make things more interesting... this is the absolute dumbest argument/pointofview that i have ever heard..."let's use a fixed piece of shit instead of something decent"...i would prefer pope's dictate of "NO FIXED GEAR" over your nonsensical approach...i can't even find the logic in your argument!!! You leave a mess and it might not even work??? WHAT's THE FUCKIN' POINT???

more in keeping with the traditions of our sport? Yer a fuckin' whack job... they are an antiquitated way of leaving fixed pro in situ...or, if they are removed, they are totally destructive... for all your years of climbing, you sometimes seem to strike me as STUPID....

he's ssssooooo dreamy...

...personal experiences?

yeah and as fat as you are, every ounce is vital!

who was gonna crag today !

Let's see, already trashed by pin scars, a few bolts didn't make it any worse? Is that one of the good points? Two piles of dog shit is no worse than one? That is a good point!" Any good points in there I may have missed? "Gee it's too bad but young folks make mistakes." Certainly true, but a trail of bolts is something that can be mopped up. With this point I disagree. Instead of an example of mistakes made, from which we can all learn a lesson and improve our behavior, it is my observation that one trail of bolts tends to give the green light for the next. Take Vantage, for example. A couple of 40-ft faces get bolted and suddently everybody with a roto-hammer sees a line with all of the potential for an 8-bolt "test piece". And when examples of bolted cracks get zero reaction from those who disapprove, the message is that it's "open season" for bolts. Cracks, previously bold face climbs, everything is fair. Pope...you are a blithering fool of an old fart...and that is coming from one himself... Listen dumbass, its just too much damn work to actually bolt every crack around for these lazy fucks...give it a rest already...gear protected cracks will not disappear...jeezus you are the absolute master of hyperbole...do they teach you that in RichardSimmon's "How to be an annoying fuck class"???? you dumb

OH THE HORROR, THE ABSOLUTE HORROR...SOMEONE MIGHT HAVE FUN IN A DIFFERENT WAY...

you don't say?!!!!?