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but he keeps putting his harness on backwards...

Matt/DCramer... discussing bolting issues is like discussing politics and religion...people have their opinion and they are unlikely to change it...why must you diss this thread????? What's the point of that? Pope deliberately put this in spray...that is what it is S P R A Y!

Distel is a bouldering nut...i don't think i'd classify him as well rounded....

but dude...your knot knowledge is out of this world...

kinda like sex...

you might be surprised at what i think/do on your routes....but then again, your arrogance had better be founded somewhere cuz its off the charts...

or wolverine shittings?

would that be a dam bitch?!?!

yes...they actually had a "recall" of sorts, complete with purchase dates and batch numbers, that was released/advertised to the construction industry...

Max is a heavy! He sheared that one because he was hanging on it, while torquing down on it with a wrench...big no-no...bolt was from that batch of defective rawl bolts with bad steel...

well....you have fun in your world...i'll have fun in mine... my experiences with bolts mirrors DFA's in the sense that i have never seen one pull or break despite a lot of abuse... I have pulled and broken pins though...and other fixed mank... dinosaurs usually go extinct for a reason...

joey joey joey, you should go back to hex machine nuts...they take a lot more skill to place than the newer stuff... goddamn u are an arrogant fuck... How many windshirts are in your quivers? Unless you guys post the number of windshirts you each have personally sold during your x # of years of retail experience it's all so much willy waving. sadly, i'm only qualified to own one windshirt and 3 neutrinos...also, i tend to leave those monthly on girth pillar...dammit...expensive habit... oh yeah;

arghhh...you suck...

its like driving pins into a stubborn crack...

...let's go back to bashing joey...

you argue both sides of the coin!!! Damn, you suck... First your big beef with bolts is there is no "certainty" with them and you can't check them...then you go and say that the reason you like pins is "their lack of absoluteness" even conceding, that yes, in general bolts are stronger (which blows the first half of your argument out of the water)???? wtf, dude? did yo' momma drop you on yer noggin? Did you crater on yer cranium????

it needs neither pins nor bolts as the gear is just fine...granted, that gear placement was generated from pins... but, taking your question to an extreme, by adding the simple statement "should city park have been bolted to protect its rock quality because people are continuing to this day to drive pins into the crack"...i would say to bolt it and keep it in its current state as much as possible...

How about anecdotal evidence? Years climbing: 13 and change Bolts fallen, hung, and repeatedly yarded on: too numerous to count Bolt failures experienced or witnessed: zero Bolt failures heard of: a handful, in Thailand, due to now well-publicized corrosion Obviously, ancient alpine bolts might be a different story, but if it has a buttonhead on it, you can reasonably guess it's less bomber than a Rawl 5-piece. joey runs into them all of the time...in fact, he just removed one with his teeth and upgraded it to a cracked eye kb, just to keep the sporting side of it intact...

joey joey joey, you should go back to hex machine nuts...they take a lot more skill to place than the newer stuff... goddamn u are an arrogant fuck...

you don't know anything about me...bitch!

ROTFLMAO with a pin, no less... Until you've replaced a bunch of bolts of varying ages I'd say you don't really know what you're talking whether the discussion is bolts or pins. And to the degree that the line of bolts in the photo doesn't bother folks is exactly the degree the climbing has become simply another risk-free entertainment alternative on par with Six Flags. But then a bunch of you do sound like risk-free is first and foremost what it's all about for you... joseph, feel free to continue installing fixed gear where you deem it appropriate...and continue to install inferior systems using all of your skill to bring it up to snuff...now wait, what was the reason for the fixed gear in the first place? I forgot.... BTW...Disneyland is celebrating its 50th!?! WOOFUCKIN'WOOHOOO!!!

i've replaced and installed and chopped a ton of bolts...in competent rock with good installation and proper sealing an expansion bolt will flat out perform better in the long run than a pin... so keep talking...you don't know a thing about me...i'm responding to your posts and their content...YOU are making assumptions about me and then filling in the blanks...

i always take "bouldery" as "unprotected"...ie you are bouldering for a ways at the grade of the route until you can get sumpin' in...

totally an urban legend...