RuMR

don't be dissin' the lycra!!

I think Carl should use this as his avatar it really fits his personality the best...

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BOULDERING IN WA...WHICH IS HERE, NOT THERE...

didya wash your hands? you filthy canuck...

i hate it when i trample in shit...that was the worst thing about climbing in france was all the goddammed french "land-mines"...

hmmm...proper term is "shit-for-brains"...duh

great....your implied "hard" before "core" just set my IT guy off in my face...thanks...

i just tell my kid to quit whining and run it out or pack your own rack... sheesh, kids these days...

BUMP.... anybody got anything planned this month???

just follow the obvious descent gully that is devoid of blue-clad fairy whiners...

who's whinin' now bitch?

Maybe I'm just a pussy who is afraid of getting hurt or killed, so I take it more cautiously. When I mentioned Accidents in Mountaineering, it just seems that some people don't take things seriously enough, or take chances that they shouldn't. That doesn't mean I'm talking about you or matt or dirty harry or anybody else here. maybe you all did things the right way - on your own. but I don't thing everyone does it so well on their own. btw, I freely admit that when it comes to rock climbing, "I am so suck" nothing "pussy" in that approach... i shoulda been in there at least a hundred times...just got lucky...

ok...so i went back through this thread...kk pretty much said you get instruction from mountie instructors but you could also hook up with other "experienced" climbers consistently... i think the only thing that spooked him was the whole teaching yourself thing... and honestly, there's been a couple of times i got reeeeeeaaaal lucky...perhaps "his" way isn't so bad, although it wasn't available to me (east coast and no $$$) 20 years ago...maybe these days, its not such a bad way to go (to get started at the least) Oh...and squid, this is not a "group-hug"...

not until they wash those smelly polypro undies!

who ever said that? you guys jump to conclusions and a few here aren't saying just that not everyone needs "regimented instruction" - they're piling on personal attacks, and blasting the mounties. I don't give a rat's ass if someone doesn't like the Mounties. Everyone has their own opinion. I don't like regimented courses either, or rules, or authority, whatever. Again, you guys jump to conclusions. For climbing, I don't like planning every detail and going up in a large group. I prefer doing stuff on the spur of the moment in a smaller group (3-4). And I don't wear shorts of poly-pro and gaiters and all those other stupid cliches that get posted over and over. get over it, guys how can you say that after stating that learning on your own would help to find your way into the next edition of accidents????

the mounties would not be a bad approach; however, for rock (if you wanna gain real experience and learn quickly), you are far better served to skip all of their dogma and crap, get somebody to take you out personally and run you through the ringer...

quote]The mountaineers seem to be the closest thing to just finding a partner and doing it compared to taking courses and such. Is it THAT regimented? What is the preferred method of gaining experience? if you are looking for rockclimbing as opposed to peakbagging, you are better off not going through the mounties, IMO...

especially if they want to get past that basic level that i was referring to...

HEY...NUMBER 345#A is actin' up...would you have a word with him please???

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EXACTLY MATT!!!

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apparently, you need to take a class on how to use a fly swatter...its pretty difficult, and i hear that the exam at the end is ruthless...

since when does a 17-year-old male have common sense? common sense with regards to life? Maybe not, but with regards to the nuts-and-bolts of climbing...it ain't that hard for some one with an iq above double digits...